Which pads (i want low dust)

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Yawn....... the 'woe is me' is about to start? :rolleyes:

and no doubt the choice of the OP and anybody else who wishes to fit what THEY want to THEIR cars :rolleyes:



The red pads from EBC's own website says that they are for performance cars, it says -

The Redstuff pads are better suited for fast road driving and cars that are above 200bhp.

I dont need to use them in order to quote something from their website. You have this strange paranoid issue that anyone who has an opinion different to yours must be picking on you, how strange.


You are picking on me,, read what you have said :D
 

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I'm sure we debated this a while back, the listed curb weight for the 320 cab is just 1474kg?

But that's beside the point, I think by fast road speeds really implies a lot of heavy braking from high speed, in which cast the pad would need to be formulated diferently

Yes if you did alot of heavy braking the pad would need to be harder I guess so it wouldnt wear out quickly, similar to a track situation.
 

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I'm sure we debated this a while back, the listed curb weight for the 320 cab is just 1474kg?

But that's beside the point, I think by fast road speeds really implies a lot of heavy braking from high speed, in which cast the pad would need to be formulated diferently

well it says 2100kg on the info plate so that sticks in my head :) I do quite a lot of heavy braking so yes the reds are more suited to my driving style.
 

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well it says 2100kg on the info plate so that sticks in my head :) I do quite a lot of heavy braking so yes the reds are more suited to my driving style.

Hallelujiah, finally we get to someone that fits the criteria :D
 

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I'm sure we debated this a while back, the listed curb weight for the 320 cab is just 1474kg?

But that's beside the point, I think by fast road speeds really implies a lot of heavy braking from high speed, in which cast the pad would need to be formulated diferently

And this is where the ceramic pads win hands down as they stop the car with less pressure on the pedal with the result that the stopping distance is shortened with less chance of boiling the fluid. It is the length of time that the pad is in contact with the disc that creates the heat.

Apart from all this the longer disc life is well worth having and more than off sets the difference in cost over standard pads.

I like like them but you and anyone else can use what they want to, it is only a discussion isnt it
 

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Hallelujiah, finally we get to someone that fits the criteria :D

And my car is much faster and heavier than miffy's so there you have it.

I also have a very good brain that can work these things out
 

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And this is where the ceramic pads win hands down as they stop the car with less pressure on the pedal with the result that the stopping distance is shortened with less chance of boiling the fluid. It is the length of time that the pad is in contact with the disc that creates the heat.

Apart from all this the longer disc life is well worth having and more than off sets the difference in cost over standard pads.

I like like them but you and anyone else can use what they want to, it is only a discussion isnt it

Longer disc life? Can you substantiate that?
As MY OWN experience of EBC RedStuff pads differs from that quite radically I,m afraid.
I have a shimmy on the steering when I brake, and the disc surface though not especially grooved looks like it has small fibrous metal particles actually in the disc surface, there poor appearance was even picked up by PCS at my last service.
I do have new OEM discs to go on, but I am still very much undecided regarding the pads, OEM or a good quality low dust equivalent (not EBC again) I will decide soon.
If I remember when I change them I will take some pics for all to see.
 

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Longer disc life? Can you substantiate that?
As MY OWN experience of EBC RedStuff pads differs from that quite radically I,m afraid.
I have a shimmy on the steering when I brake, and the disc surface though not especially grooved looks like it has small fibrous metal particles actually in the disc surface, there poor appearance was even picked up by PCS at my last service.
I do have new OEM discs to go on, but I am still very much undecided regarding the pads, OEM or a good quality low dust equivalent (not EBC again) I will decide soon.
If I remember when I change them I will take some pics for all to see.

No metal at all in ceramic pads as it is not needed.

Re the life yes I can as 40k plus miles for the fronts and 60k for the rears on a 230 cant be bad. The car had distronic and uses the brakes far more than one without.

My CL has no wear lip on the disc after 12k miles, if you look at the disc surface with ceramic pads the surface shines as though its polished, and quite unlike the dull surface where standard pads are used

As you are the only one to have had a problem, maybe your disc are at fault
 

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Going back to topic, ahem, IIRC there was also the bloke from star who had a problem as were a few others, but you in your inimitable style (again) refused to believe that others did, pretty much the same as here
 
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My disc surface certainly is not as you describe, and were OEM in the MB box, and are genuine HWA items (AMG specific items), all fitted correctly, by a well known local Independant, (not that you can do a lot wrong installing them). Though I would,nt dismiss the discs being at fault I fail to see of any manufacturing defect in a brake disc that would cause this issue, well I could but if that was the case they would have failled catastrophically long before now.
Reason why no one else has experienced could also be that I,m the only person willing to speak out considering the controversy that normally surrounds threads on this subject. IIRC correctly we have actually had others who dislike them, including well respected Indy's on here and the other forum for quality issues of them.
 
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As WN previously pointed out on another thread, it's sometimes easier to go with MB parts from the dealer as these are properly specced for the car and often cheaper.
 

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As WN previously pointed out on another thread, it's sometimes easier to go with MB parts from the dealer as these are properly specced for the car and often cheaper.

What ever WN pointed out has nothing to do with anything here, there are some better products out there for many parts of the car right down to body kits if you are that way inclined.

This is also nothing to do with any ease of fitment either, and nothing to do with any cost either

Just because WN changed his springs and shock to after market does not mean that everyone else should, and the same goes for brake pads.

I like very much what I use, and you can go and fit what you like as well,,so there we are the end of.:D:D
 

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My disc surface certainly is not as you describe, and were OEM in the MB box, and are genuine HWA items (AMG specific items), all fitted correctly, by a well known local Independant, (not that you can do a lot wrong installing them). Though I would,nt dismiss the discs being at fault I fail to see of any manufacturing defect in a brake disc that would cause this issue, well I could but if that was the case they would have failled catastrophically long before now.
Reason why no one else has experienced could also be that I,m the only person willing to speak out considering the controversy that normally surrounds threads on this subject. IIRC correctly we have actually had others who dislike them, including well respected Indy's on here and the other forum for quality issues of them.

We never hear all side to be truthful, Simon had his brand new disc fail, and they were from MB so there we are. And my disc fell apart at 16k miles on my 230, and they were the original, so there are 2 cases.
 

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What ever WN pointed out has nothing to do with anything here, there are some better products out there for many parts of the car right down to body kits if you are that way inclined.

This is also nothing to do with any ease of fitment either, and nothing to do with any cost either

Just because WN changed his springs and shock to after market does not mean that everyone else should, and the same goes for brake pads.

I like very much what I use, and you can go and fit what you like as well,,so there we are the end of.:D:D

Oh but it has everything to do with fitment, we are talking about brake parts WN pointed out that the dealer can supply parts to which you (as always) took aversion the same as here. There are some allegedly better products but none of which have any reviews aside from a few on here which swear by them. You keep harping on about a certain brand but then again you dont really drive all your cars often enough to offer an educated opinion so we'll just leave that one as a difference in opinion

If WN should change his springs and shocks then thats his choice, but I will be listening to his advice on them should the advice be relevant to when I change mine. Alas we are talking about brake pads and discs so quite why shocks should be relevant only you can say.

You like what you use and I applaud you for your courage in admitting that, like others have also put forward their opinion on this thread indicating their choices in pads and discs also. :D:D:D:D
 

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You keep harping on about a certain brand but then again you dont really drive all your cars often enough to offer an educated opinion so we'll just leave that one as a difference in opinion


20k miles in a 129, 40k miles in a 230, 12k miles in an CL500 and 70k miles in a V70R

How much further does one have to drive then :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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20k miles in a 129, 40k miles in a 230, 12k miles in an CL500 and 70k miles in a V70R

How much further does one have to drive then :lol::lol::lol::lol:

All hearsay figures, but thanks for the fable ;)

So you drive over 120,000 miles a year? Please
 

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My opinion is NOT absolute rubbish at all..
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According to a reputable specialist, who has fitted a vast range of non OEM pads he now refuses to do so for road cars as he says they cause a lot of damage to discs, can take ages to warm up etc. he does this for a living and is very against these pads you tell others to use.

Andy has had the same adverse experience with these pads. In his polite words, you are wrong. I am inclined to believe him and to reduce dust, a good wax on the wheels will ease cleaning.

I've seen you drive, and me drive, and I've never had an issue with driving on OEM pads, and I go a lot quicker than you ;)
 
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