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[EmilysDad]

I don't know how that stands pro-rata but when I bought my first hose back in the early 70's it was a 4 bed end of terrace in Bedfordshire and the cost was £11,000. .....

but up in't grim north ...... my parents bought the house they're in now in 1968/9. It cost them a little more than £2000. There's is a pre war 3 bed semi

 

[ajlsl600]

The attack on older diesel cars is an absolute pathetic nonsense, if he has done it to help pollution in cities, i am sure everyone of you can see that the pollution is not from older cars, it is from transport and vans and trucks etc. This is pure politics kicking an inocent dog as this lot do not have the balls to kick the main offenders. Also i think the majority of old diesel car owners are not wealthy and do not do much mileage.
What is the current penalty for not taxing your car, be great IMHO if thousands did this like they did with the "bedroom tax". Herbie.

get the point guys ..its about WHO they can get away with hitting for more tax and under what seemingly patetable idea.. you have less clout than the london taxi band, bus opertors and train operators, so who,s listening to the small diesel guys yr just the most patetable option that can kick up the least amount of fuss,simples
cant wait to see how they try to make that work in france ,where nearly all the cars are 1, diesel and 2. a lot quite old. ,should farmers be told to buy petrol ,electric tractors, dont think so.

 

[LostKiwi]

cant wait to see how they try to make that work in france ,where nearly all the cars are 1, diesel and 2. a lot quite old. ,should farmers be told to buy petrol ,electric tractors, dont think so

You already know the answer to this...
The government will talk about it, the farmers will go on strike and block all the roads, the government will shrug their shoulders and back down and nothing will happen. Or... the government will put it into effect then not enforce it and every time they try the strikes will happen again

 

[Frontstep]

Older diesels like mine and older should be fair game for a clean air policy, a stricter M.O.T emission limit would be a start.
What about zero vat rates for emissions related spare parts.
I could be tempted by a real scrappage scheme as well.
Buying a new vehicle is not a "green" decision too many resources are wasted in its production.

 

[Yugguy]

You already know the answer to this...
The government will talk about it, the farmers will go on strike and block all the roads, the government will shrug their shoulders and back down and nothing will happen. Or... the government will put it into effect then not enforce it and every time they try the strikes will happen again

My ex-wife and I were in France in the late 90s in one of the blockadey years and we had to get from Bordeaux back up to Calais for the ferry.

We came across a tractor blockade and believe it or not, we got through it by sticking a cushion down her top and pretending she was pregnant.

 

[KeithJG]

Thing is i agree with this Clean Air Act if most countries abide by one of their own also.....but when we get Southerly winds in summer we will get all the crap air over here just like the sand from the Sahara so the Government have all that Tax money for nothing!!

 

[Craiglxviii]

Older diesels like mine and older should be fair game for a clean air policy, a stricter M.O.T emission limit would be a start.
What about zero vat rates for emissions related spare parts.
I could be tempted by a real scrappage scheme as well.
Buying a new vehicle is not a "green" decision too many resources are wasted in its production.

Just looking at energy content- as material resources are mostly reclaimable nowadays- the total energy requirement to build a car from raw materials to finished product, and run it for its typical 8.1 year first owner lifetime- the energy involved in winning/ mining the raw materials to final construction of the car account for ~17% of the total energy requirement.

 

[turbopete]

Just looking at energy content- as material resources are mostly reclaimable nowadays- the total energy requirement to build a car from raw materials to finished product, and run it for its typical 8.1 year first owner lifetime- the energy involved in winning/ mining the raw materials to final construction of the car account for ~17% of the total energy requirement.

that , whilst I'm sure is true, doesn't help those who, often through no fault of their own cant afford the purchase or fuelling of anything other than a £1k 15 year old diesel car. that what gets me with the scrappage ideas etc, its fine IF you have the funds to buy/lease a brand new car BUT most of the people (not all, but the majority, id guess) cant afford anything deemed 'clean'

 

[LostKiwi]

that , whilst I'm sure is true, doesn't help those who, often through no fault of their own cant afford the purchase or fuelling of anything other than a £1k 15 year old diesel car. that what gets me with the scrappage ideas etc, its fine IF you have the funds to buy/lease a brand new car BUT most of the people (not all, but the majority, id guess) cant afford anything deemed 'clean'

And for many the prospect if being locked into a lease when they have uncertain employment goes against prudent financial management.

 

[davemercedes]

And for many the prospect if being locked into a lease when they have uncertain employment goes against prudent financial management.

...And with the tightening of credit (including the fact that the motor industry is being picked on for their use of the PCP model) they probably won't get approved either.

I can see a day coming in the not too distant future when a number of normally law-abiding diesel owners decide to demonstrate against the unfairness of it all and scrap their "useless" vehicles rather spectacularly in a very public place. Her Majesty's hypocrites will no doubt express LOTS of sympathy and do absolutely NOTHING to help them.

 

[Frontstep]

Just looking at energy content- as material resources are mostly reclaimable nowadays- the total energy requirement to build a car from raw materials to finished product, and run it for its typical 8.1 year first owner lifetime- the energy involved in winning/ mining the raw materials to final construction of the car account for ~17% of the total energy requirement.

Leaving my replacement car in its raw form in the ground and the consequential processes to manufacture it is not just an energy in/out equation it is also an environmental one.

 

[HERBIEMERCMAN]

Air quality – In support of the National Air Quality Plan published in July, the government will provide £220 million for a new Clean Air Fund. This will allow local authorities in England with the most challenging pollution problems to help individuals and businesses adapt as measures to improve air quality are implemented. The government is launching a consultation alongside Budget on options that could be supported by this fund. (62) This will be paid for by:

• a Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) supplement that will apply to new diesel cars first registered from 1 April 2018, so that their First-Year Rate will be calculated as if they were in the VED band above. This will not apply to next-generation clean diesels – those which are certified as meeting emissions limits in real driving conditions, known as Real Driving Emissions Step 2 (RDE2) standards (61)
  
  
• a rise in the existing Company Car Tax diesel supplement from 3% to 4%, with effect from 6 April 2018. This will also apply only to diesel cars which do not meet the Real Driving Emissions Step 2 (RDE2) standards (60)

Hi Craig, Are you saying that the diesel cars registered prior to 2002 road tax will only increase by circa £10 in April 2018. ? Herbie.

 

[d215yq]

I can see a day coming in the not too distant future when a number of normally law-abiding diesel owners decide to demonstrate against the unfairness of it all and scrap their "useless" vehicles rather spectacularly in a very public place. Her Majesty's hypocrites will no doubt express LOTS of sympathy and do absolutely NOTHING to help them.

Why will they become "useless". The new taxes apply to new vehicles, not older ones. If they ban older diesels from city centres just don't drive into said city. Driving any car into a city centre is pretty dumb anyway when there's so many quicker and nicer ways to travel around. Will happily drive my 30yr old non catalyst diesel around while it still works. So they might raise the price of diesel but that would affect all cars (in fact newer cars more as they dont get the 50mpg mine does in the real world), they might ban me from the city centre of Barcelona but in 6 years living their I only drove in twice, once because I got lost and once because I was helping a mate move.

Not sure what news sources you get but unless you live in somewhere like North Korea the government really aren't conspiring to ruin your life or destroy your freedom, vehicular or other wise. They might make you pay some taxes here and there and make some ill informed pointless schemes to be seen to be doing something, just like they've always done but it really isn't worth worrying about to the degree you seem to...

 

[davemercedes]

Why will they become "useless". The new taxes apply to new vehicles, not older ones. If they ban older diesels from city centres just don't drive into said city. Driving any car into a city centre is pretty dumb anyway when there's so many quicker and nicer ways to travel around. Will happily drive my 30yr old non catalyst diesel around while it still works. So they might raise the price of diesel but that would affect all cars (in fact newer cars more as they dont get the 50mpg mine does in the real world), they might ban me from the city centre of Barcelona but in 6 years living their I only drove in twice, once because I got lost and once because I was helping a mate move.

Not sure what news sources you get but unless you live in somewhere like North Korea the government really aren't conspiring to ruin your life or destroy your freedom, vehicular or other wise. They might make you pay some taxes here and there and make some ill informed pointless schemes to be seen to be doing something, just like they've always done but it really isn't worth worrying about to the degree you seem to...

Well it's patently obvious that this who can create edicts (the same politicians who at one time told us that diesel cars were the more healthy option - now want to follow the "purgative" route and tag all diesel owners as obscene etc. (it's called hypocrisy). But that's just another "injustice" that Theresa Mayhem won't do anything to soften down.

And I'm afraid the scale of "some taxes" that will be foisted on to us will be a little bit more than "some". So they'll be able to proclaim that they're making those "filthy polluters" pay.

 

[Frontstep]

The anti-diesel movement is not a government construct.
The car industry led the diesel charge not the government.
The politicians were misled by the industry.
Germany conspired to thwart a stricter regime on diesel cars to protect their car industry.
It is of course entirely in the Industries interest to move us all into their new models now they are gearing up production of hybrids and electric cars.

Lost in the current charge is hydrogen.

 

[davemercedes]

The anti-diesel movement is not a government construct.
The car industry led the diesel charge not the government.
The politicians were misled by the industry.
Germany conspired to thwart a stricter regime on diesel cars to protect their car industry.
It is of course entirely in the Industries interest to move us all into their new models now they are gearing up production of hybrids and electric cars.

Lost in the current charge is hydrogen.

Booh flamin' hooh... poor innocent government misled to proclaiming the wrong thing!
- But they didn't mind raking in the diesel road tax through the bomm years did they!

And you know as well as I do that politicians love claim they're doing the "green" thing even when they're biting the hand that feeds them and disgracefully letting their own earlier advice slither down the tubes. Just another bit of political hypocrisy.

And the scrappage schemes are no real benefit unless you're a serious spender... There's nothing wrong with my 2007 S203 and it's apparently worth about £7K under the Mercedes scrappage scheme - but the point is that it's only available against the new purchase of a Mercedes - so I'd have to shell out another c.35K+ to get it!

 

[Frontstep]

The bit your missing is the Government is us and "we got the tax".
What we spent it on is another more contentious matter.
The scrappage schemes are simply a discount with a trendy greenish tinge.
The auto industry leads on these matters and yes politicians of all colours are lobbied by them to introduce anything that will bolster sales I think we all learn't that a long time ago.