If you are Rich enough to afford a Merc, don't complain when it goes wrong...

[hawk20]

come on Hawk 20, get a grip. How can you say I "mis-quoted" out latest member as I used the "quote" option in the system. I quoted him verbatum.

Although I (and others) on this forum disagree with your views I'm not sure I recall anyone refering to you as a "commoner" for airing them. I think that remark, and your defence of it says more about antsclk and you than it does about either me or this forum.

Your first statement is true and also false. You did use the quote option at the beginning. That is true. But you then added in direct quotation marks something he did not say. That was false and you should apologise for misquoting him IMO.

Secondly, nowhere did I defend calling you a "commoner". That was as offensive and rude as you have sometimes been. I dislike it and find personal abuse no substitute for arguing with someone's argument.

I challenge you to show where I defended calling you a "commoner" or withdraw your accusation. By the way, we are all commoners so I don't know why it was used. Doesn't it mean we aren't part of the royal family? Well thank God for that, say I. I'm glad to be a commoner.

What I have said is that it seems a shame to go to the lengths of attacking a newcomer on his first posting. Especially since you could so easily have done it in context on the other thread where he actually said it.

In reality, it seems little more than a thinly veiled excuse for your usual negative, anti-Mercedes platform.

 

[Balal]

I second Hanz.

Keeping a Merc does not mean one will be happy with the car breaking down 300 miles away from home at night. The whole point of spending more money buying the car is that you have a car that wont make you stand on motorway when you need to be somewhere important. Dont think just because someone has money, he would laugh at missing his appointment and enjoy waiting for motor rescue in rain on motorway .( Dont think police will let his private jet land on the motorway either!!!).

It is understandable that the parts will be expensive when it breaks down, but dont think even Bill Gates would like to spend £100 where he should only be paying only £10. Also, have you ever thought of how proud we feel after finding a good bargain on the car part!! Maybe we have spent more time and probably wasted more money on phonecalls and time off work finding that bargain..but thats another story

P.s. it also make guys look good in front of ladies as thats the only shopping (car parts ) they are good at finding bargains!!

 

[OmniCognateNeutronRangler]

Thanks Balal. That was entirely my point with this thread. For anyone reading this thread, please read the original post and avoid personal attacks.

 

[hawk20]

Thanks Balal. That was entirely my point with this thread. For anyone reading this thread, please read the original post and avoid personal attacks.

But please note that Ants is misquoted and no apology for that appears to be forthcoming.

 

[OmniCognateNeutronRangler]

Hawk 20 is correct, I was para-phrasing. The exact quote is below. If you feel I have misunderstod the quote please let me know and I will adjust the header (well, I will if someone tells me how).

"if you cant afford a mercedes and pay for its repairs why buy one. who cares what it costs you its a mercedes omnicognateranglar and psmart sound like commoners always whining about pennies they should get a life and not a mercedes"

 

[Hanz]

I second Hanz.

Keeping a Merc does not mean one will be happy with the car breaking down 300 miles away from home at night. The whole point of spending more money buying the car is that you have a car that wont make you stand on motorway when you need to be somewhere important. Dont think just because someone has money, he would laugh at missing his appointment and enjoy waiting for motor rescue in rain on motorway .( Dont think police will let his private jet land on the motorway either!!!).

It is understandable that the parts will be expensive when it breaks down, but dont think even Bill Gates would like to spend £100 where he should only be paying only £10. Also, have you ever thought of how proud we feel after finding a good bargain on the car part!! Maybe we have spent more time and probably wasted more money on phonecalls and time off work finding that bargain..but thats another story

P.s. it also make guys look good in front of ladies as thats the only shopping (car parts ) they are good at finding bargains!!

Thanks. Any money not spent is always good ....

When I broke down, they wouldn't let my private jet land at M5 services, so I was towed by AA instead

 

[Balal]

Hawk 20 is correct, I was para-phrasing. The exact quote is below. If you feel I have misunderstod the quote please let me know and I will adjust the header (well, I will if someone tells me how).

"if you cant afford a mercedes and pay for its repairs why buy one. who cares what it costs you its a mercedes omnicognateranglar and psmart sound like commoners always whining about pennies they should get a life and not a mercedes"

well!!! I personally think! its not "what" one says but "how" one says makes it appear to others. (Yep! heard it from my girlfriend ) Its like, you friend's swearing at you with a smile has different meaning than one swearing at you with an angry face and a punch following it!....

now lets analyse the original thread where this statement was made by new member.

http://www.forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/showthread.php?p=117448#post117448

if this quote was followed by a wee smily face " " , it would have totally changed its meaning .... and it would have become a joke and could have been taken as "merc dealer believes you not to be a commoner (who uses his brains) and expects you to throw away money on repairs without even bother to know what was actually wrong with the car!".

similarly if the statement was made as

"new to the forum, this thread makes you boil. if you can't afford a mercedes and pay for its repairs why buy one ! who caaares what it costs you its a mercedes. omnicognateranglar and psmart ! brother! you sound like commoners, always whining about pennies. you should get a life and not a mercedes ... ever seen any post by any contestant of big brother (especially the stupid ones - nearly all of them) about their mercedes service costs! "

so you see! this kinda changed its meaning... and it appeared not in the meanings that it appears the now!

so not unless we get some input from the new member himself about the context he said it in, the case appears against him. And his mentioning names does not appear polite! especially the sentence " they should get a life and not a mercedes".

only other possiblity could be, like in my scenario! english isnt my first language! and at times I say something and others hear something else - ( eaaaaaasy way to end an arguement!! " but i didnt say it.. what i meant was ..." ) ..

o by the way! i hope you are all not taking my this post the other way! I totally mean it in other way! ( and nobody knows what these ways are! )

 

[Blobcat]

Don't just take offence, take the gate as well.

 

[Richardtoo]

Not wishing to bore anyone, just thought this worth mentioning.
My first Mercedes came after a run of 928s in the high flying 80s. A 300E saloon 1987, 27,000mls. Run for three years nothing to pay for other than servicing.
Had it for three years,80,000mls, then changed to first estate.
Again 300E, 1991, 21,000mls.
Sold after three years again at around 80,000. Again only servicing.
Sold it to a friend in 1997 who still has it, goodness only knows how many miles and he loves it to bits.
Bought new, went to Stuttgart to collect it, E300 Turbodiesel, one of the first with RHD. Good trip, had it for nearly three years 37,000mls if I remember correctly, no problems.
In 2002 and now retired,living in France, bought French taxi. 220CDI estate 186,000Ks at three years old. Now has 223,000Ks on the clock. Had to buy high pressure fuel pump, small leak, main dealer changed it, specialist would probably have repaired, and then water pump. This went in my humble opinion, because a new belt was fitted when fuel pump was changed, upsetting the bearings.
Currently looking for 2005 estate, wife wants an auto box-me too.
No complaints except the main dealer service bills. Where do they get the prices from!
And the hourly rate is cheaper here than in the UK.

 

[television]

Surely this all depends on how our individual brains work and think, where as I want to know more about this and that, so I learn aout it, and the man gives up before he starts saying that I know nothing about this or that. I come home with a new car, the first reaction from the man next door is, what are you going to do if it goes wrong and he drives a Lada, sure sometimes I ask myself "are you doing the right thing".
While we have people who are happy to send £30k for the purchase of a house in Portugal that they have only seen on the net, go to see it and find the house does not exist, I would rather crawl into the air intake of a car that I want, and come out of the exhaust knowing that I have checked it.
With me I get so much pleasure in owning and driving a nice MB, Jberks has said the same, I do not smoke, gamble or drink, we all have to live within our selves. Most of us here also love their car as much as I do.

Malcolm

 

[littlebrooklyn]

Oh come on LIL B didn't you sell your C class while it was still under guarantee? What massive repair bills? Don't you join the moaners. You're usually so upbeat!

Yes you are quite right, we did sell our C Class whilst it was still under warranty, I should have phrased my reply differently

However I had become concerned about potentially future massive repair bills after reading some of the threads on here. I know it's not always going to be the case that when a car starts off having problems that this will continue, but from day 1 we had a problem with our car. We had spent £18,000 on it, which to us was a lot of money and the very first day it broke down on the drive We had to call out a technician 3 times over the first couple of weeks and never got further than being told it was 'stuck in park because we had parked it on a slight incline'

We then had to have the supercharger replaced, which seemed to me quite worrying when the car was less than 3yrs old and had a very low mileage. Yes all these problems were sorted out under warranty, but what worried me was what else was going to go wrong when the warranty ran out and how the heck would we be able to afford to get it fixed

Sadly we are not rich and combined with other financial problems the car had to go. I'd still buy another one if I found myself in a financial position to afford one though

 

[Blobcat]

Sadly we are not rich and combined with other financial problems the car had to go. I'd still buy another one if I found myself in a financial position to afford one though

You should talk to Malcolm, I'm sure he said he had a box of money for a Mercedes.

 

[anyweb]

i've always wanted a merc since i was a young kid, dunno whjy, just always have,

i've never had enough money to afford a decent one let alone a new one so i buy second hand,

my first merc was a POS merc 190d (1989) http://anyweb.kicks-ass.net/personal/me/mycar/index.html

it was an experience as everything was wrong with it more or less, so i spent a few years fixing this and that and learning in the process.

my second merc, is my current one, both were cheap, which suits me as my money goes on the house/kids.

cheers
anyweb

 

[mlc]

This is turning out to be a really interesting thread!

Are you posh or rich because you have an MB? Not really, lots of MB's are available new for a cheaper price than a new Ford. Will it cost more to run than a "lower class" car? maybe. Will the total life cost be more than a "lower class" car? maybe. Do I want to give my S Class back and have another Mondeo? No!

All this means is that I have made a life choice to own 3 MB's. Will they cost more to maintain than cars in the past - on present experience no, but then I am prepared to look after them myself. The exposure is that an auto box for an S or SLK costs more than a manual box for a Mondeo or Puma (the previous cars) but that has to balance against the risk of needing one and the pleasure in driving the cars. I have started to enjoy driving to work, what value do you put on that?

Mark

 

[OmniCognateNeutronRangler]

Balal and blobcat, thanks for lightening the mood a bit. And mlc, thanks for pointing out the whole point of me posting this as a thread. I wanted to examine if there was any credibility to the comments made by the new member and in most cases the responses seem to have seen that, and as I have said before, we are ALL entitled to our opinions. Of course mine is the only right one...:wink: (is that the right emoticon Balal?)

 

[television]

Balal and blobcat, thanks for lightening the mood a bit. And mlc, thanks for pointing out the whole point of me posting this as a thread. I wanted to examine if there was any credibility to the comments made by the new member and in most cases the responses seem to have seen that, and as I have said before, we are ALL entitled to our opinions. Of course mine is the only right one...:wink: (is that the right emoticon Balal?)

Having said that, any chance of getting your name shorter, or signing with something like Fred or the like, I am far to old to take it all in.

malcolm

 

[OmniCognateNeutronRangler]

just use Omni....or Neil of you want (that being what I'm actually called - well, by my mum anyway)

 

[robbi-wan]

I suppose if there is a bottom line then it has to be this:
Cars are expensive to fix when they go wrong. If you know enough to fix it your self and save some dosh into the bargain - great. If not then you are at the mercy of those who profess to know.
Personally, i have lost loads of money repairing 'lesser' cars over the years and have had no major problems with mine since last april (bought at 120K miles).
I have taken to trying to educate myself in all matters oily so that i can fix my own problems (rear shocks last week - then passed MOT (rear pads next)) - or at the very least be able to quiz those who profess to know more than me with a little credability.

I am not rich (but would like to be !!) and i have worked hard to buy a car that i am proud of and gives me pleasure - the main obstacle i face in maintaining it is knowledge, which can come from huge expense/mistakes but so far seems to be progressing nicely.
A wise man (if only i knew it at the time) once said: "If you cant afford to maintain a vehicle - then you should not really buy it" , which seems to me to be the original point being made; and in that there may be a grain of truth.

Rob

 

[television]

A wise man (if only i knew it at the time) once said: "If you cant afford to maintain a vehicle - then you should not really buy it" , which seems to me to be the original point being made; and in that there may be a grain of truth.

Rob

Many good points I think on your thread. and good or bad you think like me.

The wise man bit----I have done a lot of work in my lifetime for wise men, and come home thinking, he so B-- good why did he call me, and pay me to sort his life out.
Should you really buy it, some go wrong, some don't, yes sure, I have never spent so much on a modern car as I am now, yes I think about it, cant even change the brake pads on this one. My glass is always half full, never half empty. Malcolm

 

[robbi-wan]

and good or bad you think like me.

its all good malcolm
rob