Mercedes to Renault, really?

[littlebrooklyn]

My sister recently sold her A Class Mercedes as it isn't ULEZ compliant, but she has replaced it with a Renault Zoe! It's just so ugly and it's electric too and I struggle to get my head round why someone would sell a nice looking car for a boring grey car that looks the same as so many other cars on the road. If it was mine and I parked it somewhere I would struggle to find it as every car park seems to be a sea of boring grey cars which all look the same. Also being electric, not sure you could give me an electric car, I would have to sell it and buy a petrol car instead

 

[M80]

Is it remote controlled?

 

[sl500amgsport]

Tesla are, to an extent, from a mobile phone...

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[sonic]

She could have bought an AMG55 or 63, they are ULEZ compliant.

 

[littlebrooklyn]

She could have bought an AMG55 or 63, they are ULEZ compliant.

Exactly, I really don't know what she was thinking. Our Mercedes is also an A Class and yes it's diesel which isn't ideal, but it is ULEZ compliant

 

[M80]

Exactly, I really don't know what she was thinking. Our Mercedes is also an A Class and yes it's diesel which isn't ideal, but it is ULEZ compliant

Ssshhh, he'll hear you.

 

[AnthonyUK]

I only have good memories of Renaults. My uncle used to pick us up from London and take us to stay with relatives in Wales during the summer holidays in a Renault 16.
My Dad had a Renault Fuego in the 80's and I had an Espace for 10 years which was strictly a Matra.

No idea what they are like today though.

 

[M80]

I only have good memories of Renaults. My uncle used to pick us up from London and take us to stay with relatives in Wales during the summer holidays in a Renault 16.
My Dad had a Renault Fuego in the 80's and I had an Espace for 10 years which was strictly a Matra.

No idea what they are like today though.

Buy a new Mercedes and you can find out.

 

[rorywquin]

I only have good memories of Renaults. My uncle used to pick us up from London and take us to stay with relatives in Wales during the summer holidays in a Renault 16.
My Dad had a Renault Fuego in the 80's and I had an Espace for 10 years which was strictly a Matra.

No idea what they are like today though.

Between my wife and I (in the 70s and 80s) we had a R10 (Alconi motor version), R5 and a R9 (kept the R9 for nearly 10 years). They were all excellent although I did become a master cutch changer on the R10.

Current B-Class has a Renault engine and is faultless @ ~50k miles.

 

[littlebrooklyn]

I just don't understand the mindset of people buying electric cars now, the Renault Zoe goesn't get very good reviews and although it has a good range overall if you are on the motorway and doing 70mph it drops from 245 miles to just 149, which isn't a lot. I still think it's an ugly car. Years ago my dad bought me a pretty electric blue Renault 5 and I loved it, but I'd always pick a Mercedes over anything else now

 

[Axcontrols]

My 2017 GLA 200d is ULEZ compliant. It's a diesel. I'd assume that an A 200d is as well. What's so smokey on the petrol A class cars that they don't meet the standard?

 

[Wighty]

We will know next week if anyone needed to change cars at all , when the judge decides on the ULEZ extension

 

[Axcontrols]

I just don't understand the mindset of people buying electric cars now, the Renault Zoe goesn't get very good reviews and although it has a good range overall if you are on the motorway and doing 70mph it drops from 245 miles to just 149, which isn't a lot. I still think it's an ugly car. Years ago my dad bought me a pretty electric blue Renault 5 and I loved it, but I'd always pick a Mercedes over anything else now

electric cars - ie batteries - is a phase we're going through. In the longer term Hydrogen will be the way to go.

Although hydrogen will be just a phase too. That bloke "Wlhelm Reich" discovered "Orgone" which is, basically, free energy. Only downside is you need to buy one of his wooden boxes where you'd sit inside and do, er.... stuff to generate orgone to recharge your battery. No. hang on. We're back to batteries again. d'oh!

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

I’m sure the EV trend will drop into some sort of usefulness probably as town cars where you don’t need to haul half a ton of batteries hundreds of miles which is definitely not very green. Hydrogen is viable regarding replacing ICE so the EV trend won’t last long.

 

[mioba]

Exactly, I really don't know what she was thinking. Our Mercedes is also an A Class and yes it's diesel which isn't ideal, but it is ULEZ compliant

....and may well have a renault engine

 

[LostKiwi]

I’m sure the EV trend will drop into some sort of usefulness probably as town cars where you don’t need to haul half a ton of batteries hundreds of miles which is definitely not very green. Hydrogen is viable regarding replacing ICE so the EV trend won’t last long.

Hydrogen is nowhere near viable at the moment. Overall efficiency is very poor compared to batteries.
Most commercial hydrogen is also made by steam reforming hydrocarbons - the byproduct of which is CO2. The alternative is electrolysis. That then gives hydrogen that can be burnt in an ICE or put into a fuel cell to generate electricity.
The first is 30-35% efficient, the second 40-60%.

That's a lot of electricity needed to match a battery EV. Batteries are 97% efficient or more.

From an efficiency perspective hydrogen just doesn't make sense.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Hydrogen is nowhere near viable at the moment. Overall efficiency is very poor compared to batteries.
Most commercial hydrogen is also made by steam reforming hydrocarbons - the byproduct of which is CO2. The alternative is electrolysis. That then gives hydrogen that can be burnt in an ICE or put into a fuel cell to generate electricity.
The first is 30-35% efficient, the second 40-60%.

That's a lot of electricity needed to match a battery EV. Batteries are 97% efficient or more.

From an efficiency perspective hydrogen just doesn't make sense.

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[ajlsl600]

Buy a new Mercedes and you can find out.

Buy a 20yr old spend 5k and have something reliable and without all the dealer elastic cords. (sans electronics crxp)

 

[littlebrooklyn]

My 2017 GLA 200d is ULEZ compliant. It's a diesel. I'd assume that an A 200d is as well. What's so smokey on the petrol A class cars that they don't meet the standard?

I think they have to be Euro 6 or later to be ULEZ compliant, our car is a 2016 diesel and I think it's probably only just scraped through

 

[rorywquin]

I think they have to be Euro 6 or later to be ULEZ compliant, our car is a 2016 diesel and I think it's probably only just scraped through

Ours is 2014 & is not compliant. IIRC 2015 onwards is ok.