OEM manufacturers

[HaydnM]

No mate I think you have taken my comment out of context a little. MB make the cars and every part on it when new. My question was isn't MB legally responsible for the new car and all the parts on it; and not the list of suppliers.

Forgive me, I miss read the post.

MB assemble a car from other suppliers components, the fact that they assemble the car makes MB legally responsible.

The same goes for parts, If you market your parts in a Brand, in this case Merc Benz, legally they are deemed there after in the eyes of the law as the manufacturer or importer.

Once someone starts to sell something in their own branded image the law changes as above.

So to use as a example, If a filter supplier purchased a filter from a alturnative supplier & re boxed it in their own image, in the eyes of the Law you are then deemed the manufacturer of that part or the importer, if something went wrong the buck would be stuck with them.

 

[WDB124066]

That was my understanding, so if someone shows me a Bosh part that was fitted by MB in the factory it is an MB part not a Bosh part, and it will be made to MB specifications, not Bosh specifications - yes??

 

[HaydnM]

Hmm Ahh here we go.

O.K it is still a Bosch part you & I know that.

As per earlier posts, Bosch are one of the few O.E.S manufacturers that do not in most cases manufacture parts for say MB in this case with a MB part number on them, nor a MB logo, as this then stops Bosch selling this part in the aftermarket, which is what they want to do.

Do not get me wrong, there are some parts that Bosch manufacture with the Manufacturers logo or the part number on them, iT could be the case that Merc Benz have paid for the tooling cost's & if they have then Bosch will not be able to sell these parts to the aftermarket.

Please believe me, Bosch do not make the same part to different spec's.

A bosch part number is a Bosch part number, so a MB Vito Lambda would have 0 258 017 014 bosch number on it, regardless of the fact it came from Bosch or Merc Benz.

 

[kth286]

It's about, who is the retailer of the part to the customer (end user).

That's the organisation responsible and whom you would take to court.

 

[WDB124066]

"Please believe me, Bosch do not make the same part to different spec's."

This is my prime concern, when MB are in control of what they are buying they get what they want, to their spec and they have an army of people making sure of it. As soon as a part manufacturer does not have to comply with the MB spec and Purchase Order conditions they pick and choose what they comply with, but still sell it as an MB part. Trust me on this, I know manufacturers do not (always) comply with MB specs on parts that do not have to carry the star.
Take Febi Lower Control Arms for a 124, the bushes have to be assembled in a certain orientation, but not on the Febi ones, the orientation is random, the shock absorbing qualities of these bushes are then lost, but still Febi sell it as an MB OEM part and people genuinely believe they are getting a top quality OEM spot on part.

MB ones are assembled correctly.

Each to their own, but be aware of the risks.

 

[HaydnM]

"Please believe me, Bosch do not make the same part to different spec's."

This is my prime concern, when MB are in control of what they are buying they get what they want, to their spec and they have an army of people making sure of it. As soon as a part manufacturer does not have to comply with the MB spec and Purchase Order conditions they pick and choose what they comply with, but still sell it as an MB part. Trust me on this, I know manufacturers do not (always) comply with MB specs on parts that do not have to carry the star.
Take Febi Lower Control Arms for a 124, the bushes have to be assembled in a certain orientation, but not on the Febi ones, the orientation is random, the shock absorbing qualities of these bushes are then lost, but still Febi sell it as an MB OEM part and people genuinely believe they are getting a top quality OEM spot on part.

MB ones are assembled correctly.

Each to their own, but be aware of the risks.

Read the early post's, Febi are not a O.E Manufacturer of control arms, you are being sucked into by the words Febi - Bilstien & the words Germany.

Febi are the German version of Quinton Hazzel, that's it, they buy parts from suppliers & pack them in Febi boxes. They are selling parts based on their brand name & the words Germany.

So what is the point of compairing Febi to MB. None.

If you want to compair the MB arm to a O.E.S brand you need to look to the MB one to see who makes it, then lets say for example it's a TRW one, compair the TRW one to the MB one.

If you do not know what to look at or for, you can be sucked in, it all about experance, I have 30 years of it.

 

[WDB124066]

I had no idea Febi were not OEM for LCA's, bad example, but the situation still remains I'm sure.

 

[WDB124066]

You have thirty years experience manufacturing parts in a contracting environment...?

 

[Frontstep]

You have to accept some people need badge security.
Often they also have the need to spend more "You get what you pay for" is their mantra.
The parts world is complicated and it is understandable that people need this comfort blanket.
As mentioned a real BS system would be good but probably unworkable all these disagreements would dissapear though if parts were sold by MB for sensible money, why would you feel the need to go elsewhere ?

 

[WDB124066]

Yes, you can get very very cheap prices for 124 stuff now through the Classics Centres. I wouldn't think of doing anything else, especially now.

How much for a headlight with indicator for a 1996 car, no wash, at a Dealer in the UK by the way?

 

[NW_Merc]

Yes, you can get very very cheap prices for 124 stuff now through the Classics Centres. I wouldn't think of doing anything else, especially now.

How much for a headlight with indicator for a 1996 car, no wash, at a Dealer in the UK by the way?

Can you elaborate more on the classics centres? These are new parts I assume

 

[WDB124066]

Yes.

http://www.mercedes-benz-classic.co...mpc_home/mbc/home/classic/classic_center.html

http://www.mercedes-benz-classic.co...home/mbc/home/classic/classic_center_usa.html

http://www.mercedes-benz-classic.co...vehicles_service/mb_classic_center.flash.html

 

[johncroydon]

Hi all
Being a very new MB owner, of quite an old car i will buy parts at Mb if they are reasonable, but ECP if they are not.
Anyone can own a merc these days, as used car prices for these are comparable with others.
However to keep it on the road i have to shop around to get the best quality parts at the best prices.
I love my car but obviously cost has to be factored in.
Just my take on it
john