Possible EV.

[JBell]

Don't agree, Jon.

Have they solved the battery degradation problem?

 

[SmartAmg]

Have they solved the battery degradation problem?

To be honest, Jon, don't know, if there even is a problem. I'm going off what I've read and watched. The same as you are going off what you've read and watched.

 

[bladecrazy]

Have they solved the battery degradation problem?

and thats the thing, the sun said this, my mates grannys uncle said this, does anyone on this thread own an ev? all i know is because i actually own one i can give an honest account, when i,ve had mercs and beemers in the past i have had manufacturers warranty because as everybody knows adblue/ intake manifolds/tanks cost mucho cash and if i have spent 30+k on a car i dont expect it to fail within the first 5 years and if it does i expect the manufacturer to pick up the bill, my free 8YEAR warranty offers peace of mind, total spend on parts after 1 year is 0.00, i have always had a service plan i dont need that either. love the car love the performance, love the service i get from tesla , they come to me , not worried about batterys 1 bit there is a link somewhere on this thread that tested an 8 year tesla and the battery had lost 10%. , i,m on next generation batterys so i expect that 10% to be better in 8 years time. i,m looking for a 987 porsche prefer the 3.4 , if anybody ask me what they are like i cannot say because I DO NOT OWN ONE and despite the internet saying dont bother due to bore scoreing, ims failure etc i will find out for my self then give an imformed opinion.

 

[SmartAmg]

I don't own an EV, but I'm certainly not averse to getting one. What annoys me is the utter claptrap that's spouted about EVs, citing things they've read or watched, mostly by folk that have not even sat in one, let alone, drove or owned one. Of Course there not perfect by any means, don't think anyone's say they are, but believe me neither are ICE cars.

 

[bladecrazy]

I don't own an EV, but I'm certainly not averse to getting one. What annoys me is the utter claptrap that's spouted about EVs, citing things they've read or watched, mostly by folk that have not even sat in one, let alone, drove or owned one. Of Course there not perfect by any means, don't think anyone's say they are, but believe me neither are ICE cars.

Their not perfect, mine has a failing door pillar camera which is thankfully covered, but to date has cost me nothing at all and thats probably a first for me. still takes a full charge too!.

 

[00slk]

I've got mates with EV's and they are city cars. I would rather put £100 worth of petrol/diesel in my car, drive to where I need to go and return on the same day with an empty tank, than spend £130 in an EV spending the night at a hotel, charging at over expensive charging points, meals and take a day off work. One acquaintance said to me when he told me this, yes is does work out more expensive and more time, when he did a similar journey, but I am doing my bit for the environment. He just did not get it. You can't compare your SL to my EV for driving around town, he said, you do 10mpg around town, I would go for miles on a single charge are town. Probably true, but I catch the bus! Short trips are not good for cars.
I have always said, I'd buy an EV if it did 500mls plus per charge with and without high speed driving with the air con running, lights on, seat warmers on and stereo blasting. But they don't, so I will have to live with the convenience or Petrol/diesel

 

[JBell]

and thats the thing, the sun said this, my mates grannys uncle said this, does anyone on this thread own an ev? all i know is because i actually own one i can give an honest account, when i,ve had mercs and beemers in the past i have had manufacturers warranty because as everybody knows adblue/ intake manifolds/tanks cost mucho cash and if i have spent 30+k on a car i dont expect it to fail within the first 5 years and if it does i expect the manufacturer to pick up the bill, my free 8YEAR warranty offers peace of mind, total spend on parts after 1 year is 0.00, i have always had a service plan i dont need that either. love the car love the performance, love the service i get from tesla , they come to me , not worried about batterys 1 bit there is a link somewhere on this thread that tested an 8 year tesla and the battery had lost 10%. , i,m on next generation batterys so i expect that 10% to be better in 8 years time. i,m looking for a 987 porsche prefer the 3.4 , if anybody ask me what they are like i cannot say because I DO NOT OWN ONE and despite the internet saying dont bother due to bore scoreing, ims failure etc i will find out for my self then give an imformed opinion.

I am speaking as someone with 5 friends that have all bought EV's and none are particularly impressed and it is down to several things - Battery range, charging (at home with no off street parking) and the availability of chargers that actually work, build quality (this is the big one with 2 friends with Teslas, they are too creaky, one Model S and one Model Y), Jag is just plain reliability and bits failing that shouldn't (Under warranty though and the car will be gone the day before the warranty is up).

The one with a Taycan is just horrified with the depreciation.

As for a 987 Porsche, there is a Wheeler Dealers where they tackle the Bore Scoring problem and explain the reasons why it happens, @Blobcat can help with that one as well, as for IMS just buy a 2006 > car as they changed the spec on them to a much stronger bearing.

P.S I don't read Tabloids

 

[bladecrazy]

I've got mates with EV's and they are city cars. I would rather put £100 worth of petrol/diesel in my car, drive to where I need to go and return on the same day with an empty tank, than spend £130 in an EV spending the night at a hotel, charging at over expensive charging points, meals and take a day off work. One acquaintance said to me when he told me this, yes is does work out more expensive and more time, when he did a similar journey, but I am doing my bit for the environment. He just did not get it. You can't compare your SL to my EV for driving around town, he said, you do 10mpg around town, I would go for miles on a single charge are town. Probably true, but I catch the bus! Short trips are not good for cars.
I have always said, I'd buy an EV if it did 500mls plus per charge with and without high speed driving with the air con running, lights on, seat warmers on and stereo blasting. But they don't, so I will have to live with the convenience or Petrol/diesel

cool

 

[bladecrazy]

I am speaking as someone with 5 friends that have all bought EV's and none are particularly impressed and it is down to several things - Battery range, charging (at home with no off street parking) and the availability of chargers that actually work, build quality (this is the big one with 2 friends with Teslas, they are too creaky, one Model S and one Model Y), Jag is just plain reliability and bits failing that shouldn't (Under warranty though and the car will be gone the day before the warranty is up).

The one with a Taycan is just horrified with the depreciation.

As for a 987 Porsche, there is a Wheeler Dealers where they tackle the Bore Scoring problem and explain the reasons why it happens, @Blobcat can help with that one as well, as for IMS just buy a 2006 > car as they changed the spec on them to a much stronger bearing.

P.S I don't read Tabloids ok

ok but they would have already known the range surely before they bought?, off road charging they would have known this too before buying, maybe you can hear the creaks because the cars are silent in thier operation, as for jlr i just would,nt, insurance co and motorway are valueing our car at 2 k less after 1 year about the same loss as my e350, my 987 will be coming from hartech porsche near me just waiting for the right spec to appear. question still stands has anybody on this thread got an ev, will the real slim shady please stand up.

 

[JBell]

My 987 will be coming from hartech porsche near me just waiting for the right spec to appear.

Think they were the ones who sorted the Bore scoring out on the WD car, was an interesting episode and a costly repair but caused by mis treatment of the engine by a previous owner essentially

 

[Wighty]

I don't own an EV, but I'm certainly not averse to getting one. What annoys me is the utter claptrap that's spouted about EVs, citing things they've read or watched, mostly by folk that have not even sat in one, let alone, drove or owned one. Of Course there not perfect by any means, don't think anyone's say they are, but believe me neither are ICE cars.

That is a very good description of me buddy

 

[SmartAmg]

I've got mates with EV's and they are city cars. I would rather put £100 worth of petrol/diesel in my car, drive to where I need to go and return on the same day with an empty tank, than spend £130 in an EV spending the night at a hotel, charging at over expensive charging points, meals and take a day off work.
I have always said, I'd buy an EV if it did 500mls plus per charge with and without high speed driving with the air con running, lights on, seat warmers on and stereo blasting. But they don't, so I will have to live with the convenience or Petrol/diesel

And that's perfectly ok for you. You don't want an EV, fair enough. End of.

 

[SL63 Mark]

Think they were the ones who sorted the Bore scoring out on the WD car, was an interesting episode and a costly repair but caused by mis treatment of the engine by a previous owner essentially

Hartech have established a business mainly fixing Porsche engines with this problem. I think they were featured in the WD programme IIRC. They have been around a long time doing this, since my 911 ownership days (late 90s).

 

[Chrishazle]

Hartech have been playing with Porsche engines since way before the Boxster etc that is now their main business, they used to do lots for FE Porsches of the 1980's and 90's - 924/8, 944 and 968.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Everyone to there own when it comes to EVs I suppose although the big problem for me regarding buying one is that I wouldn’t swap the ICE cars I’m running for one and desire plays a big part in what we are and do they totally switch me off and that’s before the known pitfalls of lack of infrastructure, price and depreciation come into play

 

[SmartAmg]

Everyone to there own when it comes to EVs I suppose although the big problem for me regarding buying one is that I wouldn’t swap the ICE cars I’m running for one and desire plays a big part in what we are and do they totally switch me off and that’s before the known pitfalls of lack of infrastructure, price and depreciation come into play

Fair enough, they're not for you.

 

[bladecrazy]

Everyone to there own when it comes to EVs I suppose although the big problem for me regarding buying one is that I wouldn’t swap the ICE cars I’m running for one and desire plays a big part in what we are and do they totally switch me off and that’s before the known pitfalls of lack of infrastructure, price and depreciation come into play

fair comment, i think the same about hybrids as imo much more to go wrong, i,m not being rude and i mean hybrids in general .

 

[oigle]

ok but they would have already known the range surely before they bought?, off road charging they would have known this too before buying, maybe you can hear the creaks because the cars are silent in thier operation, as for jlr i just would,nt, insurance co and motorway are valueing our car at 2 k less after 1 year about the same loss as my e350, my 987 will be coming from hartech porsche near me just waiting for the right spec to appear. question still stands has anybody on this thread got an ev, will the real slim shady please stand up.

Sure have. A Kia EV6 RWD and love it. It's great to drive and it looks superb, arguably one of the best looking of available EV's so far. It sure draws attention. The interior is cool with lots of tech - a bit too much at times. Seat comfort very adjustable and good. Economy runs to around 15kwh for 100 km on city motoring. Haven't done a long trip. People blame the car for lack of charging facilities but it's hardly the cars fault. Infrastructure will come in time. Penalty of being an early adopter I guess. Home charging is a breeze just using a 15amp plug. Charge from 50 to 80% once a week or so and costs me about $5.50 on off peak power and that covers about 150km. I peruse the Benz forum and look at all the hassles we have with ICE cars - I know, I used to have one. I see the EV as a very simple beast without all the sensors for EGR, DPF, black death, gearbox failures etc etc and look at the EV - none of that. A lot said about batteries and cost of replacement. Tech has reached a stage that such an event is highly unlikely and degradation is minimal. Lots of folk getting to 100,000km with around 10% degrad. Motors have no servicing and virtually last forever. No clutches or gearboxes. MOT? No pollution standards to adhere to. Brakes last forever as regen does 98% of all braking. I could go on..... I do understand folk that do not have home charging facilities would be disadvantaged. Doubt I would buy one under those circumstances. Too much hassle. A range of around 500km, or 450 to be safe, is plenty for me. It's a rarity for me to drive those distances any more. Not young and silly now So long as suitable charging facilities are available, I see no downsides worth considering. Most critics have not owned one and some not even driven one but they know it all, don't they? Hearsay mostly.

 

[oigle]

Saw a film of a BMW 7 Hybrid that was effectively a "Mechanical Write off" due to the batteries, £130k new and written off

Hybrid?? They shouldn't be too expensive. Only small battery. Must have had lots of other damage.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

MHEV tend to have a 1

Hybrid?? They shouldn't be too expensive. Only small battery. Must have had lots of other damage.

MHEV Mild Hybrid generally has a 1kWh battery (cost to replace in the region of £1.5k)
PHEV Plug-in Hybrd 10-30kWh
EV >50kWh