Reduced braking power - 'start engine'

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I gave my CLS a proper valeting this morning and after the wash & wax decided to park the car. The car won't start and the clock is running circles and a message came up on the instrument cluster reading "Reduced braking power start engine'' in red font. I tried to push down the brake pedal and start the car via keyless-go as usual, it cranks but won't start. The windows don't shut properly and the side mirrors don't fold back automatically. When i use my key to shut the car, it does not respond and after 10 minutes, i tried again only for the car to lock but won't open.

I had a quick look on the internet to find a solution, some E class owners on certain US forums had issues of such. Some suggested that it could be SBC pump unit or it could be the battery at fault. My wife while i tried to start the car had a quick look and said that the SBC pump unit trembles while i try to start the engine. I have heard that the SBC unit costs about £2,000 to fix. A mercedes SL owner said that he experienced a similar problem and it was cured when he changed his battery. I also read that the SBC unit comes with a 10 year unlimited warranty from MB. My car ran out of warranty 3 days ago and am totally discombobulated at this time. Car has been driving okay under warranty and now everything is taking a downturn.

Could this be braking problem, faulty SBC unit or battery problem? I forgot to mention as well that i always get this message anytime i drive the car ''Battery convenience functions temporarily unavailable" and it does go away after driving it around. I know a proper diagnostic is the only alternative to detect the problem but while waiting i would like to know if anyone on this forum has had some an issue and what was the remedy to the problem.

Thanks for reading and thanks for your anticipated responses :)
 

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You must disconnect the battery for 15 mins and join up again to see if it clears
 
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You must disconnect the battery for 15 mins and join up again to see if it clears

Thanks Malcolm for the quick response. You see, am Zero when it comes to DIY. I know where the battery is located but how to disconnect the battery is another issue. Am afraid if i do, it might disconnect other functions. Will it need reprogramming after disconnecting?
 
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Just popped outside to try the battery disconnection and realised that the boot won't open :(
 

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Sounds like a flat battery to me........
 

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Water in the CAN B with those faults, once a digital cluster locks up it must have a power down or it will never clear, it cant while powered up
 
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Sounds like a flat battery to me........

Thanks cole for the response. But if it's a battery issue why will the message read ' Reduced braking power'. Is there are correlation between the battery and brake? Just can't understand this sudden development.
 

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Your brakes have to have a safe working voltage, if the SBC unit sees a voltage drop it will throw this message up, it's common with the 211,s and thats what your car is based on....
 
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Water in the CAN B with those faults, once a digital cluster locks up it must have a power down or it will never clear, it cant while powered up

Malcolm, your technical English is killing me 'Water in the CAN B with those faults'. Please can you break it down for me? Am just learning. Thanks malcolm lol
 

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But this has nothing to do with whats going on, with the clock going round and no locking you can ignore what is said in the cluster, they only get digital CAN signals and nothing else. I still say water in the CAN B
 

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Malcolm, your technical English is killing me 'Water in the CAN B with those faults'. Please can you break it down for me? Am just learning. Thanks malcolm lol

All communication is done with signals, they have all become muddled up and you can ignore what the cluster is telling you as its all gobble de gooch, the clock wizing round is the give away.

The CAN B is the interior CAN
 
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Your brakes have to have a safe working voltage, if the SBC unit sees a voltage drop it will throw this message up, it's common with the 211,s and thats what your car is based on....

Thanks cole for this input. I really love this forum. You guys are great. I will rather it's a trivial issue than an onerous part.
 
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Okay, from the suggestions so far, it's likely battery issue. Since the W219 has 2 batteries. Which one needs charging? The one in the engine bay or the one in the boot? The car has been in standby for almost 2 years now. Will it start on it's own or do i have to charge it before it starts? Am asking because to take it to a specialist to look into it, the car needs to drive. I do not have a charger to charge it right away. Am just scratching my head now!
 

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Charge the one in the boot, front one is SBC back up battery..........
 

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Problem solved

Just popped outside to try the battery disconnection and realised that the boot won't open :(

I have encountered the exact same issue with my cls 500. I used my key to open the trunk manually. Bought a brand new battery. changed it. BINGO!!!

look no further- changing batter with resolve your issue.
 
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