The S & E Slider

[Thex]

Can anyone tell me what the E & S switch is for on the Auto gearshift panel of my (just acquired) C180 Elegance, please.

Regards

THEX

 

[eric242340]

Can anyone tell me what the E & S switch is for on the Auto gearshift panel of my (just acquired) C180 Elegance, please.

Regards

THEX

The E and S switch is a little like Normal and Sorpts mode. What it does is allow you to effect the shift point on your transmission. In E mode your normal shift point is around 2500-2800 but in S mode it will change at around 3000-3500, its that simple.

 

[lakeside]

E=Economy, S=Standard. As Eric says, in E it changes up at lower revs, and is less willing to change down when you accelarate.

 

[eric242340]

E=Economy, S=Standard. As Eric says, in E it changes up at lower revs, and is less willing to change down when you accelarate.

We now have Tiptronic transmissions and so these modes are , although still in use, not so important. Basically S mode gives you an extra power shot in each gear.

 

[Thex]

Thanks for the replies folks.

Does it follow then, that left in E, my fuel consumption around town will be a lot a better but with slower acceleration, from junctions, traffic lights etc.

Regards

THEX

 

[eric242340]

Thanks for the replies folks.

Does it follow then, that left in E, my fuel consumption around town will be a lot a better but with slower acceleration, from junctions, traffic lights etc.

Regards

THEX

If you are only concerned about fuel consumption, the E is the better choice.

 

[television]

Erics post here are very wrong as E & S have nothing to do with the shift points what so ever.

In the S mode it gives you a first gear start, and in E it is a second gear start.

the changes or the or the ratios are unaffected by either E or S.

I do wish that eric would stop post wrong answers.

 

[lakeside]

Thanks for the replies folks.

Does it follow then, that left in E, my fuel consumption around town will be a lot a better but with slower acceleration, from junctions, traffic lights etc.

Regards

THEX

Your mpg will be better, but not a lot. You won't notice any difference taking off from a standstill, it's only when going up hills or overtaking that you'd notice the difference.

 

[lakeside]

Erics post here are very wrong as E & S have nothing to do with the shift points what so ever.

In the S mode it gives you a first gear start, and in E it is a second gear start.

the changes or the or the ratios are unaffected by either E or S.

I'm afraid I have to disagree Malcolm. My 200 TE 16-valve starts in first gear in both S and E. It changes up sooner in E, and doesn't change down as soon under load (unless using kickdown). This is my experience of it over the last four years, and also what it says in the handbook. I don't know if the C180 is the same, but I suspect it is.

 

[television]

The C class 202 has a entirely different box to any 124, its the 722.6 box in this car and E is a second gear start and nothing else.

 

[television]

We now have Tiptronic transmissions and so these modes are , although still in use, not so important. Basically S mode gives you an extra power shot in each gear.

No it does not.

 

[lakeside]

The C class 202 has a entirely different box to any 124, its the 722.6 box in this car and E is a second gear start and nothing else.

Sorry. I consider myself admonished.

 

[television]

We now have Tiptronic transmissions and so these modes are , although still in use, not so important. Basically S mode gives you an extra power shot in each gear.

Tiptronic lets you hold onto any gear to max revs and thats all

 

[lakeside]

In my 124 300TE 1990 if I can recall that, the the box always pulled away in 2nd
gear, but in S mode I could kick it down for a 1st gear start, there are though a few variants around 1990 - 1995 the 5th gear being an option at the end of the run, this was still a non electric box with an electric 5th gear.

On the 202, the label was changed later to W and S or E

The M111 powered 124 estates (200 and 220) pull away in first, in both S and E, and change as described by me above. Maybe the saloons don't. The 202 apparently doesn't. The 124 E300D estate starts in first too, but is not switchable. The switch seems to have a different function depending on the engine/transmission, and the platform.

 

[television]

The M111 powered 124 estates (200 and 220) pull away in first, in both S and E, and change as described by me above. Maybe the saloons don't. The 202 apparently doesn't. The 124 E300D estate starts in first too, but is not switchable. The switch seems to have a different function depending on the engine/transmission, and the platform.

Yes there can be differences as the 200,220 and the 300 D have much lower BHP than the 300TE

I do have all of the figures and change points for all of them, but that is not important here

 

[whitenemesis]

Copy and paste from the C-class Owner's manual........

S Sport
For all normal driving conditions

C Comfort
For comfort mode

Only press program selector button when the selector lever is in position P, N or D.

Press program selector button until the letter (S/C) of the desired shift program appears in the display of the instrument cluster.

Comfort mode C is characterised by the following:

The vehicle pulls away more gently in forward and reverse gears, unless the accelerator pedal is depressed fully. (i.e. kicks down into 1st. My understanding)
Traction is increased. This improves the driving stability of the vehicle on slippery road surfaces, for example.
The automatic transmission shifts up sooner. This means that the vehicle is driven at lower engine speeds and the wheels are less likely to spin.

 

[type49]

Can I have a go. I think this gearbox is a 722.4 (pre late 96). S mode is "standard". In this mode it should pull away in second gear, unless about half throttle or more is used from a standstill, then it should pull away in first. If whilst driving at about 40 mph, you use a lot of throttle, it should change from forth to third. If you used full throttle (kickdown) it should change to second. If you are in E mode & pull away from standstill, it should use second gear only. It can use first but only if kickdown is used. once at about 40 mph & in forth gear, it will stay in forth unless kickdown is used or vehicle speed drops.

To make things a bit easier though - what year is your car??

 

[television]

Copy and paste from the C-class Owner's manual........

S Sport
For all normal driving conditions

C Comfort
For comfort mode

Only press program selector button when the selector lever is in position P, N or D.

Press program selector button until the letter (S/C) of the desired shift program appears in the display of the instrument cluster.

Comfort mode C is characterised by the following:

The vehicle pulls away more gently in forward and reverse gears, unless the accelerator pedal is depressed fully. (i.e. kicks down into 1st. My understanding)
Traction is increased. This improves the driving stability of the vehicle on slippery road surfaces, for example.
The automatic transmission shifts up sooner. This means that the vehicle is driven at lower engine speeds and the wheels are less likely to spin.

Early 202 cars had the 722.4 and there are 5 variants in the range before they went over to the 722.6 so this is a VIN number issue as to how the box performs. with the 722.4 range the shift ranges are different in the normal changes but not when using kick down.
Later cars with the 722.6 boxes do not behave the same as they had the W/S settings meaning a 1st gear start in S.
every model 202 has its own range of shift points dependant on the engine fitted.
This is why I always ask for the VIN number to be sure that we are talking about the right car, you can be miles out with just guessing. its no good quoting shift points as there can be a difference of 15MPH as to when a car changes gear.

 

[television]

Can I have a go. I think this gearbox is a 722.4 (pre late 96). S mode is "standard". In this mode it should pull away in second gear, unless about half throttle or more is used from a standstill, then it should pull away in first. If whilst driving at about 40 mph, you use a lot of throttle, it should change from forth to third. If you used full throttle (kickdown) it should change to second. If you are in E mode & pull away from standstill, it should use second gear only. It can use first but only if kickdown is used. once at about 40 mph & in forth gear, it will stay in forth unless kickdown is used or vehicle speed drops.

To make things a bit easier though - what year is your car??

Thats what I wrote about my 300TE with the 722.4 box

 

[lakeside]

Thats what I wrote about my 300TE with the 722.4 box

Ah, but I also have the 722.4 box, and mine behaves differently. Which is why I guessed that Thex's 202 would behave like mine, since it is also the M111/722.4 combination.