2017 General Election duplicate voting.

[davidsl500]

I'm not so sure.
When we enter the polling station our name is crossed off their register.
We are then given a voting slip with a serial number that is then matched to our name on the register.

That all sounds traceable to me.

Yep, I am aware of that but technically that would impinge on the voters rights even thought the voter may have committed an offence. I wonder which one take precedence in that circumstance. Anyone want the job of putting the serial numbers in order!

 

[Craiglxviii]

I'm not so sure.
When we enter the polling station our name is crossed off their register.
We are then given a voting slip with a serial number that is then matched to our name on the register.

That all sounds traceable to me.

Voting should be fully traceable. One has a polling card, one is on the electoral roll in a given district; one's voting slip is numbered and that number is recorded against one's name. Cross referencing those records against the NI numbers recorded should bring out any double counts...

That is a simple recount after the fact and doesn't impinge on anyone's voting or other rights. What it does do however is highlight any criminal wrongdoing (interfering in the polling process) and weakness in the polling registration system.

It does highlight another point too... we are talking about young voters who knowingly voted twice to distort results, so the vote should not be awarded to those either:

Who have not completed further education (not fully developed enough to understand implications), or;
Who have not yet entered full time employment or a recognised apprenticeship (not contributed enough to society for their opinion to mean anything).

 

[davidsl500]

Maybe voting rights should be withdrawn permanently for those that been found guilty of double voting.

 

[M80]

Voting should be fully traceable. One has a polling card, one is on the electoral roll in a given district; one's voting slip is numbered and that number is recorded against one's name. Cross referencing those records against the NI numbers recorded should bring out any double counts...

The issue for me is trusting those that have the position to use the knowledge for their future advantage. We know they would given chance.

On suggesting a plausible conspiracy theory I do trust that we have a democracy, Cameron's corruption and the double voting aside. I base that statement on the fact that if those with the will had manipulated the eu vote and the last general election the results wouldn't be as they are.

 

[Craiglxviii]

Maybe voting rights should be withdrawn permanently for those that been found guilty of double voting.

I couldn't agree more!

 

[Xtractorfan]

It's not so much whether this had any impact on the election outcome that worries me it is more that there may be a generation of people that think its ok to manipulate an election by undemocratic and illegal means to get what they want.

Oh you mean the Political parties who now run the show and have carved the country up to suit themselves and keep themselves in power and a job... Or the press who have a vested interest in who gets to power telling lies and hoping their 'stupid' readers will vote according to the lies told... If the voters went the the same extremes as the political parties we would have very different results.
A few possibly hundred people who voted twice isn't gonna make a big difference to the overall election result.

 

[JBell]

I'm not so sure.
When we enter the polling station our name is crossed off their register.
We are then given a voting slip with a serial number that is then matched to our name on the register.

That all sounds traceable to me.

As soon as you go into the polling station and they cross your name out on the form they know you have voted, should be fairly simple to cross check

 

[Xtractorfan]

As soon as you go into the polling station and they cross your name out on the form they know you have voted, should be fairly simple to cross check

If done intentionally and as part of a conspiracy to get a particular candidate elected then the official voting records are searched for those who did not vote and those who are registered and have never used their vote. These people are then the target of the fraud, as their previous unused vote is now used by a stooge voter.
There is no way that the electoral office or even the police can determine who the double or even multi voter was.
There are rumblings that it happened in the recent NI elections as people did turn up to vote and their vote was already used.
As Cairan has already said over here we have the old saying 'vote early and vote often'

 

[Yugguy]

IMO you shiould have to show some proof of ID to be able to vote. We require proof of ID for other important areas so why not voting, surely one of the most important?

Cue somebody telling me this would somehow oppress the poor or some other bollocks.

 

[Craiglxviii]

IMO you shiould have to show some proof of ID to be able to vote. We require proof of ID for other important areas so why not voting, surely one of the most important?

Cue somebody telling me this would somehow oppress the poor or some other bollocks.

Oppressor!!!

 

[LostKiwi]

Oppressor!!!

Splitter!

What did voting ever do for us...?

 

[davemercedes]

Splitter!

What did voting ever do for us...?

It gave us pretty lousy choices and entertainment ...

And currently we can watch the sheer pantomime of MPs behaving like children and a PM claiming to do everything for the good of the country (even if it did take a Billion pound bung!

 

[Yugguy]

Voting is usually a case of picking the least worst. Not sure if I'll bother next time.

 

[davemercedes]

Voting is usually a case of picking the least worst. Not sure if I'll bother next time.

Ditto...
- Utterly disgraceful situation to be in isn't it?

 

[keefysher]

Many years ago I was in Oz. The last time Bob Hawke was contesting an election. Western Australia was debating whether to become a republic. Hawke was flying into Perth. The tallest building on the flight path was the R&I building, attached atop was a massive flag 'Fukc Orf Hawkie'.

At that election they introduced compulsory voting, with a tick box at the bottom of the ballot for 'none of the above'. Don't vote, go to jail. That worked for many years as there was evidence of validity of democracy by the numbers of the bottom box.

Roll on a few years and the 'none of the above' was removed from the ballot paper. So folk spoiled the ballot, which was recorded. Too often a non democratic party in terms of majority vote was in governance, to quickly be removed.

Perhaps we need compulsory voting for a few elections to clean up the system

 

[oigle]

The idea of compulsory voting was seemingly sound from a labor perspective, as they hoped all the unwashed would come out and vote for labor but it also brought out all the yobbos that couldn't care less who they voted for and often picked either the top of the list or, particularly in the senate, some ridiculous "anti nuclear" or "motorists" party rep. Then the preferential voting system kicked in and lordy, some of the people getting elected to senate here are just plain ridiculous. We need to ban the senate as it rules over the reps house which is stupid. I'd also like to see the removal of preferential voting too. One vote for one person should be all one is allowed.
Failure to vote punishment has fallen away too. I have missed on occasion when being away and have never been asked why.

Ian.

 

[AMGeed]

Perhaps we need compulsory voting for a few elections to clean up the system

I'm not so sure some of the 18 year olds could even find their way to a polling station without help, let alone have a clue about who or what they are voting for.
I do agree that if you have been given a vote you should use it, but given the candidates and some of their policies, I can understand many not bothering.

What I find more concerning are the manifesto's published pre-election that are blatant bribes to attract votes knowing full well they will never be carried out. Parties holding government should be brought to task for this, particularly those retaining power.

 

[keefysher]

I'm not so sure some of the 18 year olds could even find their way to a polling station without help, let alone have a clue about who or what they are voting for.
I do agree that if you have been given a vote you should use it, but given the candidates and some of their policies, I can understand many not bothering.

What I find more concerning are the manifesto's published pre-election that are blatant bribes to attract votes knowing full well they will never be carried out. Parties holding government should be brought to task for this, particularly those retaining power.

Public apathy is something our lacklustre politicians have garnered and relied on to get to where we are today. A true determination of votes cast per party vs spoiled or none of the above would focus minds. In our first past the post with only actually 12% of the voting electorate eligible to vote enabling a government to be formed is certainly not democratic and as experienced currently is delivering a decade of non economic growth together with a less hopeful decade to come.

I recall a LBC Radio call in show where Boris was berating Bob Crowe of the RMT for the low vote for declaring strikes on the tube. Said Mr Crowe called in using hid normal accent, not the public one, as Bob from Kings Cross where he was on camera on the picket line. BC then tory into the extremely low number of votes that had given Boris the Mayor, and the Tory Government that was woefully low in comparison to the RMT vote. Boris walked out of the show.

 

[davemercedes]

It seems to me now that democracy hasn't got too much to do with it; what counts is what the winning party can get away with...

We even had the legal cases in 2008 (R (Wheeler) v Office of the Prime Minister) which covered circumstances going back to 2004 and the judges declined to rule against the broken election promises: -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gen...ans-for-breaking-their-election-promises.html

Recently of course we had the Clegg "stitch up" where in order to get the Deputy PM's job, he reneged on his promise not to support charges for Uni students and more recently May and her £1Billion bung to the DUP in order to frustrate a parliamentary minority lack of strength - neither of which maintain and arguably frustrate the democratic "will of the people".

 

[Frontstep]

I don't buy the age distinction, my late Mother used to vote Conservative through out her life with minimal knowledge or interest in Politics the "youth" is too young to vote but has extensive knowledge of both British and American politics.
He coined the phrase non-contributors for Corbyn fans and is currently very right wing but as we all know people change !
He most certainly could find the find the polling booth.