auto or manual

[Alex M Grieve]

Then fit a 16 speed truck box

With 16 speed manual, would you also need a manual?

 

[television]

With 16 speed manual, would you also need a manual?

Possibly but think of the fun you could have just pushing that left leg up and down some 32 times per mile

 

[giuseppe]

Possibly but think of the fun you could have just pushing that left leg up and down some 32 times per mile

that would do you a world of good malcolm ??

 

[television]

that would do you a world of good malcolm ??

I cant argue with that its the other leg that worries me

 

[rovingHawk]

Can I ask have you ever driven a Merc Auto

Have you?

RH

 

[rovingHawk]

You either love 'em or hate 'em.......

I disagree- a Maybach is probably better with auto, I prefer my SLK with manual. It's possible to like both but have a preference depending on circumstances.

RH

 

[whitenemesis]

I disagree- a Maybach is probably better with auto, I prefer my SLK with manual. It's possible to like both but have a preference depending on circumstances.

RH

I agree 100%

 

[stevieb15]

Why would anyone choose manual over auto if given the choice?
Sooner or later governments world wide will grasp the nettle and get rid of manual options because an auto box is just so much safer.
Always in the correct gear and no need to take one hand of the wheel and depress clutch whilst moving lever to engage correct (often incorrect) ratio

 

[roadhog]

Why would anyone choose manual over auto if given the choice?
Sooner or later governments world wide will grasp the nettle and get rid of manual options because an auto box is just so much safer.
Always in the correct gear and no need to take one hand of the wheel and depress clutch whilst moving lever to engage correct (often incorrect) ratio

They wouldn't do that, they'd have the wrath of PumaPete to deal with.

 

[rovingHawk]

no need to take one hand of the wheel and depress clutch

You obviously don't drive many manuals, do you? The clutch is foot-operated. It's spelt 'off', btw.

More seriously, I don't feel as in control with an auto and I feel that auto encourages a lazy attitude where the driver doesn't pay enough attention to the road. Others' attitude to it might be different.

You're right, though- let's ban manuals as you & others don't like them.

RH

 

[stevieb15]

Didn't comment on like/dislike

 

[Thincat]

Why would anyone choose manual over auto if given the choice?
Sooner or later governments world wide will grasp the nettle and get rid of manual options because an auto box is just so much safer.
Always in the correct gear and no need to take one hand of the wheel and depress clutch whilst moving lever to engage correct (often incorrect) ratio

In general I think the less governments interfere with things the better. They usually make things worse.

If automatics were always in the correct gear they would be OK, but they're not - especially the torque converters. AMG have tried to speed them up but they're still annoying to use when you're pressing on. The new double clutch semi-autos are getting there, though, and I'd certainly like that option in my next car.

I don't think automatics are safer. It's much easier for stupid people to make a complete b*ll*cks of it in an auto, when a manual would just stall. I wonder how many garage walls have been demolished by autos, or people run over unintentionally.

 

[television]

In general I think the less governments interfere with things the better. They usually make things worse.

If automatics were always in the correct gear they would be OK, but they're not - especially the torque converters. AMG have tried to speed them up but they're still annoying to use when you're pressing on. The new double clutch semi-autos are getting there, though, and I'd certainly like that option in my next car.

I don't think automatics are safer. It's much easier for stupid people to make a complete b*ll*cks of it in an auto, when a manual would just stall. I wonder how many garage walls have been demolished by autos, or people run over unintentionally.

The answer is just as many people that start up a manual in gear

 

[nicko44]

Why would anyone choose manual over auto if given the choice?
Sooner or later governments world wide will grasp the nettle and get rid of manual options because an auto box is just so much safer.
Always in the correct gear and no need to take one hand of the wheel and depress clutch whilst moving lever to engage correct (often incorrect) ratio

I'm not generally in favour of banning things, but whilst we are on this subject of auto versus manual, I think an equally good case could be made for banning automatics:
They are more expensive to buy, they consume more resources and energy to manufacture, they almost always use more fuel, they almost always result in higher CO2 emissions, they cost more to put right when they go wrong, they lead to lazy driving techniques, they are harder to park smoothly when inching backwards and forwards into small spaces, and they occasionally result in older drivers suddenly shooting backwards over the edge of beach front parades. And lastly, they are NOT always in the correct gear, unlike a manual, where a driver has to consciously decide which gear he or she should be in.

And if a driver cannot do this, then it is the driver who should be banned, not the type of transmission.

I have an auto car and a manual car, and I love both. If I never had to cope with the M25 or the North Circular, I would plump for manual, since it is ultimately a more satisfying drive. But given today's traffic conditions, I am delighted to have an auto as well.
Nick

 

[rovingHawk]

In general I think the less governments interfere with things the better.

Thomas Jefferson & Ronnie Reagan had a lot of amusing quotes on the subject.

If automatics were always in the correct gear they would be OK, but they're not - especially the torque converters.

Would you please stop bringing facts into it? This is about how autos are good, manuals are bad. We need trite & simplistic, not factual & considered.

RH

 

[stevieb15]

Thomas Jefferson & Ronnie Reagan had a lot of amusing quotes on the subject.

Would you please stop bringing facts into it? This is about how autos are good, manuals are bad. We need trite & simplistic, not factual & considered.

RH

I hadn't realised this was a subject that would make people so irrationally defensive.

 

[Michael G 2]

I'm not generally in favour of banning things, but whilst we are on this subject of auto versus manual, I think an equally good case could be made for banning automatics:
They are more expensive to buy, they consume more resources and energy to manufacture, they almost always use more fuel, they almost always result in higher CO2 emissions, they cost more to put right when they go wrong, they lead to lazy driving techniques, they are harder to park smoothly when inching backwards and forwards into small spaces, and they occasionally result in older drivers suddenly shooting backwards over the edge of beach front parades. And lastly, they are NOT always in the correct gear, unlike a manual, where a driver has to consciously decide which gear he or she should be in.

And if a driver cannot do this, then it is the driver who should be banned, not the type of transmission.

I have an auto car and a manual car, and I love both. If I never had to cope with the M25 or the North Circular, I would plump for manual, since it is ultimately a more satisfying drive. But given today's traffic conditions, I am delighted to have an auto as well.
Nick

No, they shouldn't be banned or how will people like me with disabilities get around? I can't use a manual and if I could I'd soon be in an auto.
Not strictly true, the new 8 speed 'box in the new 5 series has BETTER fuel and C02 figures than the manual.
RH stop getting so defensive, we are only asking the OP to try a manual and not completely disregard the auto.
I remember you saying that you tried both.

 

[rovingHawk]

I hadn't realised this was a subject that would make people so irrationally defensive.

You choose what you like, leave me in peace to choose what I like; what's irrational about that?

Banning something that millions use without problem is irrational, surely?

Michael- I totally accept your need for an auto; my objection is to those who wish to dictate what others should use based on their own needs/circumstances/tastes. I disagree with you telling folks what's better on the grounds that you've driven neither.
Autos are not necessarily better. Manuals are not necessarily better. If a few people around here would accept that concept I'd have a lot more respect for them.

RH

 

[davidsl500]

Well the auto verses manual debate will go on for as long as they are both available. I like both but wouldn’t consider a manual box for my Mercedes in the same way that I wouldn’t choose an auto box for my late lamented Lotus 7 or any of the other “point and squirt” cars I have owned over the years.

I do know that the auto is a pleasure in stop-start traffic queues and round the towns whereas a manual is less so. With respect to auto’s not always being in the right gear – its very rare and more usually down to the driver not “being in the right gear” than the car !

The other advantage of an auto is that, at the traffic light grand prix, you can wave goodbye to the other guy as you plant your foot whilst they struggle to find some gears…….

 

[television]

You choose what you like, leave me in peace to choose what I like; what's irrational about that?

Banning something that millions use without problem is irrational, surely?

Michael- I totally accept your need for an auto; my objection is to those who wish to dictate what others should use based on their own needs/circumstances/tastes. I disagree with you telling folks what's better on the grounds that you've driven neither.
Autos are not necessarily better. Manuals are not necessarily better. If a few people around here would accept that concept I'd have a lot more respect for them.

RH

The facts stated by Micheal G 2 are correct, and he does not need to drive one to say what he did, the resale value dictates the difference on the secondhand market of what MB buyers want