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Boris and Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Frontstep, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. Frontstep

    Frontstep Senior Member

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    I have watched the media storm unfold over his evidence to the select committee with increasing incredulity.
    What is reported is such a distortion of what he said, usually with a sharply edited video that clearly misrepresents his evidence.
    I defy anyone who watched the entire exchange to come up with the same outcome.
    It was entirely obvious that he was disagreeing with the Iranians finding teaching journalism to be a crime.
    The real problem is the woman at the heart of this story has become a pawn in the get Boris campaign.
    Boris is to "Marmite" for many I understand that and his pro-Brexit stance puts him up against the whining media generally.
    Clearly Boris speaks on a higher plain than many and he hasn't lowered his thinking to cope with the general public.
    The me-edia will probably get a Labour Government to wax over next which should be less taxing for their intellect.
     
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    1. Is teaching journalism a crime in Iran?

    2 Was she teaching journalism in Iran?

    If the answers to the above are both yes...then she's bang to rights.

    If the answer to 2 is no but Boris suggested it was yes...then she's fooked.
     
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    Frontstep

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    What sane country locks people up for teaching Journalism as Iran accuses ?
    We should be rounding on Iran not Boris the me-edia are gambling with the poor womens freedom to pursue their anti-Boris agenda.
    They are a sick bunch.
     
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    Wighty Senior Member

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    I'm not sure it's an anti Boris agenda , so much as an anti brexit agenda (sorry for mentioning the B word )
     
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    Your for it now.
     
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    As I've said on many occasions, Bumbling Boris has one major problem: He just won't learn to engage his brain before open his big mouth.

    But... the woman concerned is obviously far more stupid than anyone would imagine 1) she carried drugs provided by a "friend" 2) she made no effort to check if they were legal or illegal (in her own reported words "I feel so stupid"...) but then 3) diplomacy covering things of this nature/ in such middle east countries can happen when it's tackled quietly and behind closed doors but as I said Bumbling Boris hasn't learnt to think before he leaps.

    It's very sad and undoubtedly worrying for the families involved but unfortunately amusing to see back-stabber Gove trying to support the bloke he said was unsupportable the day before he was going to stand as replacement PM for Cameron!
     
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    Are you mixing up 2 news stories? There is a woman held in Egypt in respect of medication, but is more worried about missing 'I'm a celebrity'.
     
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    Frontstep

    Frontstep Senior Member

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    Well apart from the conflation of stories Boris did engage brain and if you listened to his evidence his point was clear, but like many highly intelligent people he expects other people to "get it" forgetting the fact that many can't or won't.
     
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    The problem with Boris and his brain is that he cannot think logically like most ordinary folk. His thinking is way above the norm and as such he is a danger to those who are at the mercy of regimes like Iran and North Korea.
    She may have been teaching Journalism, but in Iran this will be seen as teaching terrorism. Boris and his advisors should have known this, and acted and spoken accordingly.
    He has a serious uphill battle to now undo his damage.
     
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    That is not the point.

    They do and therefore why would anyone flout their law and expect them to act sanely having been found doing so? Did Boris help her case? I quite like Boris so don't say I'm siding with anti Brexiteers in this instance.

    If you could, would you have gone to Iran to teach journalism? I suspect not if you were aware of the consequences.

    Their country, their laws.
     
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    ??? Eh ?
     
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    What's Eh for?

    She was arrested and thrown in jug because she was carrying packs of Tramadol which is a morphie based opiate - so that was pretty stupid. Moreover, she said she "got them from a friend".

    Last week following "investigation" Iran announced she is facing further charges for "campaigning against Iran" or rods it that effect. The Bumbling Boris stepped in and sai whe was teaching journalism

    And Fronstep - you say he had engaged his brain?

    Mrs Mayhem will probably get brave now and 'reason' with him.
     
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    Wasn't that about the woman being held in Egypt?
     
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    Maybe I've confused two of his errors but a moment ago on Beeb they said 'following Bojo's gaffe Downing St say 'they are considering giving the woman in Iran "Diplomatic Protection' '
     
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    Boris is a complete self serving buffoon.

    Ask yourselves, if your wife/daughter/son was incarcerated in some similar country, would you completely trust him to sort it out quickly.... and especially so if doing so didn't fit with his personal plans?

    Update...
    I see he has had to retract his gaff and apologise for his incorrect statement.
    Too little too late.

    The stupid sod should fly out immediately and swap places.
     
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    There does seem to be I presume some soft top media sourced confusion over this woman,
    she worked for the Thompson Reuters organisation where she was a project manager.
    She has also worked previously at the BBC this is not a women from a Marks & Sparks checkout on her annual holiday.
    Boris's deeper understanding of the woman and her history is the substantive issue missing from the me-edia who are only interested in pursuing Boris and do not care about the woman.
    It is not as straightforward as it appears some think.
    With that history it is clear the issue is far more complicated.

    The woman with the Tramadol in an Egyptian jail has no connection.
     
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    Even journalists take holidays abroad.
     
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    "Eh/" = confusion.
     
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    The anti Boris theme runs roughshod over common sense and the woman festers in jail
    So which is it a holiday at Post 18 or teaching Journalism at Post 10 ?
     

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