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My take on it is a bit different.

EVs, diesel, petrol, fart propulsion etc all have their place, when applied and used correctly. What works best for one man does not mean it works best for the next man. The issue is mis-selling and misuse caused by us, humans! Stuff being mid-sold, marketing to brain wash people, stupid temporary schemes to aid mis-selling (the wheels of corruption), followed by consumers doing what they are told rather than taking 5 secs to really think.

I’d say perhaps all taxis should be electric, with hybrid ones being used for long distance stuff like airport runs. They can be charged easily when drivers have a dinner break etc or perhaps don’t even get near the range during a day so can charge over night. I know the London black cabbies say they don’t even hit the limit during a days work! I see electric buses now too so whilst technically always on the go, they will be able to easily and strategically charge without a second thought needed. Give the consumer the right advice.

Cutting pollution is about people not being lazy. If the roads were genuinely safe to ride on, I’m sure more would use bicycles and motorbikes for going about their daily business. Yes, where you need to carry passengers and cargo etc, you use the car but for an average 5 mile commute which many will also have, you can do that in 15mins by bicycle and in most cities in rush hour no car is touching that! Not using cars for nipping to the shop at the bottom of the road and taking the kids to school that is two streets away etc.

Then there are people like me who pick and buy a car with the intention to keep it regardless of changes in fuel costs, taxation etc, provided it’s fully reliable. That’s cleaner than having a factory churning out typical modern soulless sh!t boxes, selling them using the keep them poor strategy.
 

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It's the MILLIONS of cars worldwide driven 10-12,000 miles per year that add up and do the damage.
In the grand scheme of things, pollution all produced by the UK is negligible. Extract below is sourced from the Commons Library. THE document is interesting considering all teh scaremongering put out by our “respected” media.


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That's because we now don't make anything any more as we have off-shored all the dirty things we used to do to the top 16 other countries responsible for 58% of global emissions.
We all know that & it is not the point. We could argue that the UK has done it’s part toward decreasing emissions.

We are being forced (at great expense to individuals) toward a carbon free UK.

Even if we ended up at nett zero, it will make no difference to the global pollution. We currently produce 1.1% of what is produced globally.
 

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We all know that & it is not the point. We could argue that the UK has done it’s part toward decreasing emissions.

We are being forced (at great expense to individuals) toward a carbon free UK.

Even if we ended up at nett zero, it will make no difference to the global pollution. We currently produce 1.1% of what is produced globally.
I think it is a point, though. Our over consumption, clothes, cars, TVs, latest phones, etc etc, is causing significant global emission but just not on our Island.
 

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I think it is a point, though. Our over consumption, clothes, cars, TVs, latest phones, etc etc, is causing significant global emission but just not on our Island.

Post #103 .......................

"That's because we now don't make anything any more as we have off-shored all the dirty things we used to do to the top 16 other countries responsible for 58% of global emissions.”..................

..............is a “strawman”.

Production moved because it was cheaper to make it elsewhere and for favourable conditions provided by those governments - not because of emissions. The emissions followed.

Point is, no matter what we do here (to cut our CO2 emissions) it will not make an iota of difference to global warming.
 

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Post #103 .......................

"That's because we now don't make anything any more as we have off-shored all the dirty things we used to do to the top 16 other countries responsible for 58% of global emissions.”..................

..............is a “strawman”.

Production moved because it was cheaper to make it elsewhere and for favourable conditions provided by those governments - not because of emissions. The emissions followed.

Point is, no matter what we do here (to cut our CO2 emissions) it will not make an iota of difference to global warming.
We could consume less?
 

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We could consume less?
Yes but globally (60 million out of 8.1 billion) what difference would it make?. :)

I agree that we could (should) consume less and waste less. However, we now live with a generation who are wasteful, expect instant gratification and have to have the latest and greatest.

I must be a luddite still using an Iphone 7.:rolleyes:
 

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Ah well...

I am just one person out of (actually more than) 60 million on this island and 8.1 billion globally, so what difference can changing my behaviour make.

I'll just carry on as normal and let everyone else make the necessary adjustments as my contribution is so negligible.
 

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Yes but globally (60 million out of 8.1 billion) what difference would it make?. :)

I agree that we could (should) consume less and waste less. However, we now live with a generation who are wasteful, expect instant gratification and have to have the latest and greatest.

I must be a luddite still using an Iphone 7.:rolleyes:
Just changed from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone 11 due to the battery failing, if I could have bought another battery and fitted it I would have kept the 6 but alas that’s not the way this world works - absolutely ridiculous

ps, remember the Nokia phones where you could replace the battery as easily as a SIM card…allowing business to lead on these matters is a disaster for the environment
 

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Post #103 .......................

"That's because we now don't make anything any more as we have off-shored all the dirty things we used to do to the top 16 other countries responsible for 58% of global emissions.”..................

..............is a “strawman”.

Production moved because it was cheaper to make it elsewhere and for favourable conditions provided by those governments - not because of emissions. The emissions followed.

Point is, no matter what we do here (to cut our CO2 emissions) it will not make an iota of difference to global warming.

I can't let that go Rory - lies, damned lies & statistics.

What you fail to acknowledge is that Britain effectively started the industrial age in the middle of the 18th century and was a leading exponent for well over 200 years before we began offshoring to the emerging economies on cost grounds (due in part to lower environmental and labour standards in these territories), not just in an effort to seem to reduce our current emissions.

Whilst we may only account for a tiny percentage of current global emissions (I do not intend to check your claimed figures - see first line), we as a small island nation are directly responsible for a significant proportion of cumulative emissions over several hundred years - dark satanic mills and all that - when we were exporting our goods all around the globe.

Latterly, we have changed our game plan from exporting the goods we made (with associated environmental impact arising within our territory), to importing the same goods at lower cost from other places which we now smugly accuse as being responsible for the environmental impact.
 

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Ah well...

I am just one person out of (actually more than) 60 million on this island and 8.1 billion globally, so what difference can changing my behaviour make.

I'll just carry on as normal and let everyone else make the necessary adjustments as my contribution is so negligible.
If the UK was nett zero, it would make no significant difference to global warming (assuming CO2 is truly the main problem).
 

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I think we all have to agree commerce is a dirty business it makes a mess wherever it’s situated we’ve offshored the responsibility due to regulating ourselves into a corner, morally it stinks, no wonder that third world countries want to turn their back on us
 

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I can't let that go Rory - lies, damned lies & statistics.

What you fail to acknowledge is that Britain effectively started the industrial age in the middle of the 18th century and was a leading exponent for well over 200 years before we began offshoring to the emerging economies on cost grounds (due in part to lower environmental and labour standards in these territories), not just in an effort to seem to reduce our current emissions.

Whilst we may only account for a tiny percentage of current global emissions (I do not intend to check your claimed figures - see first line), we as a small island nation are directly responsible for a significant proportion of cumulative emissions over several hundred years - dark satanic mills and all that - when we were exporting our goods all around the globe.

Latterly, we have changed our game plan from exporting the goods we made (with associated environmental impact arising within our territory), to importing the same goods at lower cost from other places which we now smugly accuse as being responsible for the environmental impact.
Which lies and statistics please? The 1.1% I quote, is from a house of commons document and available from many other sources.

You implied that UK intentionally off-shored pollution. Not true.

Economies (at a high level) typically evolve from hunter gatherer >subsistence farming > cashcrops & industrialisation > service industries (where UK is now)

The pollution produced by Britain in the early days is insignificant compared to what countries are currently producing. I’ve not bothered to check but, I’d wager that countries like recently modernised countries like India, Taiwan, China 'et al’ have produced more emissions in the last 50 years than the UK did in the preceding 150. You need to factor in powerstations & overpopulation (e.g. over 300 million of cars in China) being contributors as well.

Your “mea culpa” is all very nice but meaningless.
 

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Yes but globally (60 million out of 8.1 billion) what difference would it make?. :)

I agree that we could (should) consume less and waste less. However, we now live with a generation who are wasteful, expect instant gratification and have to have the latest and greatest.

I must be a luddite still using an Iphone 7.:rolleyes:

No you are just not caught up in the keep them poor web. Also items are designed to be wasteful and short lived in this day and age across every sector.


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Yes but globally (60 million out of 8.1 billion) what difference would it make?. :)

I agree that we could (should) consume less and waste less. However, we now live with a generation who are wasteful, expect instant gratification and have to have the latest and greatest.

I must be a luddite still using an Iphone 7.:rolleyes:
Me too, and a 2012 Mac Mini and now driving a 20 year old car.
 

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"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of statistics to bolster weak arguments, "one of the best, and best-known" critiques of applied statistics.[2] It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent's point.

The phrase was popularized in the United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the British prime minister Benjamin Disraeli.[1] However, the phrase is not found in any of Disraeli's works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. Several other people have been listed as originators of the quote, and it is often attributed to Twain himself

House of Commons document .
... must be true then.

I've not bothered to check, but.... that says it all

It's my fault and I apologise.
 

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Those maps are not really telling the truth. They show every household and other private charge points (offices, factories etc). Perhaps if you filtered them down to only publically accessible points it will be more truthful.

“Do all charge points work on all EVs?"
Yes, as soon as you filter on public access, hide home charge points, services or filling stations things become a little more grim, especially in rural areas.
Then there's the conflicting charger types and whether they're working or available when you get there.
 

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Me too, and a 2012 Mac Mini and now driving a 20 year old car.
Yep my 2010 HP Pavillion is still doing everything I need including CAD work and Adobe Photoshop. Stuck a couple of SSDs in about 5 years and it is still fine. Car is going on 10 and my wife is pushing 70 - I’m doing my bit for the environment.:)
 

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