In our new Brexit world do we still need a monarchy

[Craiglxviii]

Established so far/or not

a] We need a new head of state [and formal constitution?] Why?
b] We need a new anthem as the current one is not just awful but fundamental to [a] Please to name a more pleasant one?
c] Do we also need a new flag? Why?

Rebranding of government agencies costs tens of millions. I would genuinely hate to think what rebranding every government agency and the entire institution of the country would cost. Let alone the decades of political turmoil, uncertainty and economic loss it would all bring.

 

[prwales]

so the sheep have it...

 

[JBell]

so the sheep have it...

Don't go bringing your Welsh tendencies onto this thread!!!!!

 

[Craiglxviii]

Don't go bringing your Welsh tendencies onto this thread!!!!!

Next thing you know there'll be green wellies and Velcro and I shall have to call the 'Eddlu!

 

[Craiglxviii]

so the sheep have it...

Or, maybe, not everyone agrees with your republican tendencies!

Or, maybe, most people...

 

[Yugguy]

so the sheep have it...

And this is how all you people who presume to be more intelligent than the rest of us label us, simply because we DISAGREE. Brexit is YOUR fault. After decades of this, we all decided to give a nice big **** YOU to the so-called intellectual elite.

You posted the original question. The onus is on you to state WHY we should abolish the monarchy.

 

[LostKiwi]

And this is how all you people who presume to be more intelligent than the rest of us label us, simply because we DISAGREE. Brexit is YOUR fault. After decades of this, we all decided to give a nice big **** YOU to the so-called intellectual elite.

You posted the original question. The onus is on you to state WHY we should abolish the monarchy.

Well I've never heard of the sheep being blamed for Brexit before....

 

[LostKiwi]

"THIS WAY UP"

Works with courier deliveries....

 

[drmw]

Works with courier deliveries....

You obviously don't use Yodel !!

 

[JBell]

You obviously don't use Yodel !!

Or Hermes!!!!!

 

[prwales]

And this is how all you people who presume to be more intelligent than the rest of us label us, simply because we DISAGREE. Brexit is YOUR fault. After decades of this, we all decided to give a nice big **** YOU to the so-called intellectual elite.

You posted the original question. The onus is on you to state WHY we should abolish the monarchy.

Thanks, I thought I had done so already, however to repeat.
Monarchy is a backward form of Government, even a Constitutional Monarchy has huge faults.
The original reasons for a constitutional monarchy going back to 1688 have no validity today...we are not at war with France and a person's religion is irrelevant.
Such an institution is essentially parasitic on the body politic, ours costs a fortune but even if it cost nothing at all setting one individual to rule us because of an accident of birth is essentially slavery. Slavery is inconsistent with human freedom and I'd rather be a citizen with an elected head of state. Lots of silly things flow from having a monarchy, the aristocracy, our honours and awards system, our deference, our national anthem and our flag. Plus our military our Police and our judiciary are all required to swear loyalty to this relic, these are all simple things to reform so why not just do it. I know I'm in the minority on this forum but I couldn't care less because I'm right and those who think I'm wrong are either self serving or twp

 

[JBell]

I know I'm in the minority on this forum but I couldn't care less because I'm right and those who think I'm wrong are either self serving or twp

What a fabulously arrogant statement.

 

[prwales]

What a fabulously arrogant statement.

I thought so too, he should be banned

 

[Craiglxviii]

Thanks, I thought I had done so already, however to repeat.
Monarchy is a backward form of Government, even a Constitutional Monarchy has huge faults.
The original reasons for a constitutional monarchy going back to 1688 have no validity today...we are not at war with France and a person's religion is irrelevant. OK, by your example then the original reason for Income Tax has no validity as we are not at war with France. Quick, tell the Chancellor!
Such an institution is essentially parasitic on the body politic Please to explain your point of view, ours costs a fortune Your opinion only, until you prove or disprove the costs as opposed to a purely ceremonial head of state as held in other countriesbut even if it cost nothing at all setting one individual to rule us because of an accident of birth is essentially slavery The Crown rules through Legislation, the Monarch does not rule and has not done so since 1645.. Slavery is inconsistent with human freedom and I'd rather be a citizen with an elected head of state Go to America then and see how much you like that system of government, you're so highly critical of it aren't you?. Lots of silly things flow from having a monarchy, the aristocracy, our honours and awards system, our deference, our national anthem and our flagAll countries develop an aristocracy even if they purportedly do not start with one. That's human nature. Honours and awards are a cheap way of giving people some recognition- don't forget that only a proportion of these go to the Civil Service, many go to people who have slaved for a lifetime for the local Community Centre etc. Deference- now there's an interesting one. In comparison to who? Why is the flag and the national anthem silly, just your opinion again?. Plus our military our Police and our judiciary are all required to swear loyalty to this relic, these are all simple things to reform so why not just do it No, the question is WHY do it, not why NOT. The distinction of who the Services swear loyalty to is an important one and is rooted at the very heart of the institutions that make up this country, all the way back to 1688. You purport to study history, you must understand the reasons for this.. I know I'm in the minority on this forum you got that one right but I couldn't care less neither could anyone else herebecause I'm right and those who think I'm wrong are either self serving or twp or correct.

Just my two pennorth.

 

[Yugguy]

PR the minority you belong to is "least number of car-related posts on a car forum."

 

[Alfie]

I know I'm in the minority on this forum but I couldn't care less because I'm right and those who think I'm wrong are either self serving or twp

Im beginning to think you enjoy the conflict that your threads provoke.

The arrogance of your last post isnt surprising. One of the best lessons one can learn is to listen to other peoples opinions because sometimes they will show you a different way of looking at something. Sometimes they will be right and you will be wrong. Its the better person that can accept that with grace.

The more we feed the monster, the bigger it will get. Im done with this as you simply dismiss other peoples views in an absurd and arrogant manner.

 

[Craiglxviii]

Im beginning to think you enjoy the conflict that your threads provoke.

The arrogance of your last post isnt surprising. One of the best lessons one can learn is to listen to other peoples opinions because sometimes they will show you a different way of looking at something. Sometimes they will be right and you will be wrong. Its the better person that can accept that with grace.

The more we feed the monster, the bigger it will get. Im done with this as you simply dismiss other peoples views in an absurd and arrogant manner.

Don't Feed The Troll...

 

[AMGeed]

 

[dry run]

I probabnly don't know PR as well as some others on here, but I took his "I'm right" comment as being fairly light hearted - he did put 3 's on the end.

 

[prwales]

Don't Feed The Troll...

rich considering your spend much of your time promoting Trumps fake news and think its ok to smear Michelle Obama, if there is a real troll on this forum its you