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Seems to me that most of the discussion, even if wanders about a bit, is triggered by the claims and assertions made by the sellers of these products.
They claim increased horsepower and torque figures. No problem with this it’s clearly true.
They claim the potential for improved economy, presumably if you don’t use the increased performance. Happy to believe this although clearly a contentious point.
They claim the re-map is undetectable. Just not true.
They claim, well GCL do, that manufacturers have no right to void warranty claims pertaining to components affected by the remap. They quote Block Exemption in support of this position. This is not true, their own arguments are frankly silly claiming on one hand that the component (ECU program ) is the same and on the other that they will return it to the original spec if required.
GCL claim to offer a warranty that protects against the manufacturer voiding the warranty. The wording of this warranty on the GCL site is barely in English.
I’ve looked the warranty offered by another tuner, can’t remember which one, and it excluded components failing due to manufacturing faults and failing due to wear and tear. Hard to see what’s left as a reason for failure.
I’d like to hear from someone who has made a claim on one of these warranties or has the full policy wording which they are willing to post..
GCL, apparently, tweak the gearbox ( went out for a test run with Tony and we tweeked the gear box for prime shifting ). Can only surmise that this means driving hard to get the gearbox to adopt a more aggressive shift pattern, which will only last while the aggressive driving continues. Strike me as sales / marketing bs.
I don’t have anything against remapping. It works and there are good products out there, Go and get it done if you want to. Just don’t believe all the rubbish to do with warranties, detectability etc.
They claim increased horsepower and torque figures. No problem with this it’s clearly true.
They claim the potential for improved economy, presumably if you don’t use the increased performance. Happy to believe this although clearly a contentious point.
They claim the re-map is undetectable. Just not true.
They claim, well GCL do, that manufacturers have no right to void warranty claims pertaining to components affected by the remap. They quote Block Exemption in support of this position. This is not true, their own arguments are frankly silly claiming on one hand that the component (ECU program ) is the same and on the other that they will return it to the original spec if required.
GCL claim to offer a warranty that protects against the manufacturer voiding the warranty. The wording of this warranty on the GCL site is barely in English.
I’ve looked the warranty offered by another tuner, can’t remember which one, and it excluded components failing due to manufacturing faults and failing due to wear and tear. Hard to see what’s left as a reason for failure.
I’d like to hear from someone who has made a claim on one of these warranties or has the full policy wording which they are willing to post..
GCL, apparently, tweak the gearbox ( went out for a test run with Tony and we tweeked the gear box for prime shifting ). Can only surmise that this means driving hard to get the gearbox to adopt a more aggressive shift pattern, which will only last while the aggressive driving continues. Strike me as sales / marketing bs.
I don’t have anything against remapping. It works and there are good products out there, Go and get it done if you want to. Just don’t believe all the rubbish to do with warranties, detectability etc.