E63 amg biturbo 2015 front brake discs?

[turbopete]

The OP didn't answer my question. Will anyone else? What does Mercedes Benz make?

in reality, probably not much. id guess most of what they actually 'make' is more a case of 'assembly' rather than making. a bit like a flat packed wardrobe. you dont make them, you assemble them. electronics are Bosch etc, suspension is probably Sachs or similar, engines will be assembles, components probably outsourced, likewise gearboxes, interiors etc. so id say pretty much EVERY car manufacturer (volume) assembles lots of parts other companies make for them

 

[AMGeed]

Prick!Your the administrator!Forums like this are full of aresholes full of their own **** importance!

Don't see your appearance on the forum lasting much longer with that attitude. And the person you replied to is not Admin.
Get a grip and use some manners.

Stop whinging about the cost of parts. Whether MB overcharge or not is neither here nor there. Every brand charge more for parts than their worth. You need discs, pay up or sell the car.

Oh, and as LK alluded to, more fool you for taking an A class to a dealer for a service and discs and pads. You must enjoy having your pants pulled down.

 

[Craiglxviii]

in reality, probably not much. id guess most of what they actually 'make' is more a case of 'assembly' rather than making. a bit like a flat packed wardrobe. you dont make them, you assemble them. electronics are Bosch etc, suspension is probably Sachs or similar, engines will be assembles, components probably outsourced, likewise gearboxes, interiors etc. so id say pretty much EVERY car manufacturer (volume) assembles lots of parts other companies make for them

MB make PROFIT. That is ALL they do. Making and selling cars is a means to giving their shareholders a return on their holdings. Everything an OEM does is calculated to enhance their profits. Even technical design centres contribute significantly to the profits by evolving the design of parts, improving logistics routes, or adding extra value to the customer.

Service parts routinely get between 1-3000% (yes, three thousand percent) markup added to them.

In terms of brake discs, the reasoning is simple. Anyone buying the car understands the costs of servicing- it forms part of the conditions of sale. Buyers of used cars, well you've saved on the depreciation so suck it up. It's a 6 litre V8, parts are at a premium due to the relative rarity so they can stick a premium on them.

Andrew- this is a really friendly forum. We meet regularly and all learn a lot from one another. A lot of us know each other in person, we socialise as well as go to car meets. It's a great place. Don't get ****ing narky and spoil it for yourself.

 

[John Laidlaw]

Prick!Your the administrator!Forums like this are full of aresholes full of their own **** importance!

Well cheers. Don't ask questions if you don't want the answers which don't suit you?
Forums like this one are full of helpful people.sorry you don't see it that way but that's life
Simple answer to the original question...because they can
Either accept or as others have suggested, choose another vehicle which suits your needs...
So for that reason, I'm out...

 

[Craiglxviii]

By the way- on manufacture (Pete).

Most automakers do their own body in white. There are many smaller components that are outsourced but these tend to be smaller parts.

Most automakers make their own powertrains. Some sell these to others.

 

[turbopete]

By the way- on manufacture (Pete).

Most automakers do their own body in white. There are many smaller components that are outsourced but these tend to be smaller parts.

Most automakers make their own powertrains. Some sell these to others.

I thought this was all dying a death now? take the Renault engines, now fitted to Renault, Nissan and some MBs, the Nissan and Renault, vauxhall (and some MB)vans are literally completely nothing more than a badge swap, the upcoming X class is a Nissan Navara which will also be rebadged into a Renault, so not even making their own bodies, engines, transmissions etc in many cases. Ford TDCi engines are designed as a joint operation with PSA (Ford did the 1.4, the 1.6 was literally straight from PSA and the 2.0 I have was designed jointly and is mostly the same but has differences to the 'same' engine fitted to a Peugeot or $hitroen)
then theres the bodies of the MB Sprinter/VW crafter, powertrains on pretty much every VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat are shared.

I'm aware you work in that area of the industry and will have more insight than someone like myself, but looking at what I see around me on the roads, I'm not sure that there aren't more manufacturers sharing bodyshells and powertrains than people are aware of.

 

[John Laidlaw]

I noticed a lot of VAG crates and boxes when I visited the Porsche plant in Stuttgart last year...

 

[Craiglxviii]

Badge engineering tends to only happen when the sales volume doesn't justify the enormous expense of developing a new model. Something like $150 million or so. So, it's far cheaper to buy into a platform and change various bits around. Thus, the A class shares its platform with the Infiniti Q30, but they're two very different cars.

Same with powertrains. Why go to the expense of developing your own 1.6 ish I4 when there's a perfectly good one being made by the hundreds of thou per year just down the road? That's just common sense (and has been going on as long as cars have been around!)

VAG have been very clever and have taken cross- platform to the next level. They have optimised for instance whole crash assemblies for small, medium and large cars, and they design their new models around those assemblies, on the very reasonable assumption that it's much more expensive to tool up for yet another design of front crash arms than it is to tweak the platform metal of a new model to suit.

 

[Craiglxviii]

I noticed a lot of VAG crates and boxes when I visited the Porsche plant in Stuttgart last year...

Well Porsche are in VAG...

 

[turbopete]

I noticed a lot of VAG crates and boxes when I visited the Porsche plant in Stuttgart last year...

true, theyre part of the same group too, I wonder if any Ferrari parts go to the factory boxed in Fiat/Alfa/Lancia boxes??

 

[John Laidlaw]

That was my surprise Pete, OK we all 'know' they're the same group but knowing they have factory tours and potential clients, if I was in the market for a Porsche I wouldnt want to think I was getting bits from a Passat in it!

 

[John Laidlaw]

Well Porsche are in VAG...

Indeed Craig but as my reply to Pete it's not a great advert in a Porsche plant with potential Porsche clients

 

[turbopete]

Badge engineering tends to only happen when the sales volume doesn't justify the enormous expense of developing a new model. Something like $150 million or so. So, it's far cheaper to buy into a platform and change various bits around. Thus, the A class shares its platform with the Infiniti Q30, but they're two very different cars.

Same with powertrains. Why go to the expense of developing your own 1.6 ish I4 when there's a perfectly good one being made by the hundreds of thou per year just down the road? That's just common sense (and has been going on as long as cars have been around!)

VAG have been very clever and have taken cross- platform to the next level. They have optimised for instance whole crash assemblies for small, medium and large cars, and they design their new models around those assemblies, on the very reasonable assumption that it's much more expensive to tool up for yet another design of front crash arms than it is to tweak the platform metal of a new model to suit.

I get that with something as niche as the X class, as I cant see that selling in any real numbers, but even more mainstream stuff it seems odd. Vauxhall for example, sold vans badged as bedfords during the 80s (even the astra van was badged Bedford at the time) yet now its a rebadged Renault traffic and Nissan cubistar (or whatever its called) to become the Vauxhall vivaro! why not develop their own?

I agree about VAG BUT it can fall down as well. VW had the emissions scandal. ok, so $h!t happens. but because they share EVERYTHING, its not just VW that's been affected. its VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda etc.
and I'm not sure about other people, but I'm afraid if I paid out the additional money to buy an Audi (say, an A3) I would be a little upset if I later drove the sister cars and found that they drive IDENTICALLY (and in the case of the Golf, even LOOK virtually identical) to the Skoda Octavia or Seat Leon (or whatever its called nowadays) which is a good chunk, almost HALF in some cases, the money! yes I know that's where the marketing department etc comes in, but seriously, if you like the cheaper car, why would you wish to aspire to the more expensive ones? and I think that will happen with MBs, at least some of them. why would you buy an X class when the Navara is an identical vehicle (ignoring the interior) or as a works van, why would you shell out so much for a Citan when you can get a Kangoo for a lot less? most people wouldn't!

 

[turbopete]

That was my surprise Pete, OK we all 'know' they're the same group but knowing they have factory tours and potential clients, if I was in the market for a Porsche I wouldnt want to think I was getting bits from a Passat in it!

if its good enough for Bugatti......

 

[LostKiwi]

You could level the same argument at many things Pete.
Why spend £10k on a Rolex that keeps time no better than £10 plastic digital watch?
They both do the same job and the Rolex is no more accurate but Rolex are a huge and successful company.
Why buy Church shoes when Clarks do the same job at half the price? Or Jimmy Choo for 10 times the price of Clarks?

There is an endless list of high priced yet desirable things that are not a lot better in reality than items a lot cheaper so why do it? The designer brands do very well out of it.

 

[Craiglxviii]

Indeed Craig but as my reply to Pete it's not a great advert in a Porsche plant with potential Porsche clients

The plant I was in last week is still half stuffed full of (old) Jaguar stillages... it's a factory not a marketing suite!

 

[turbopete]

You could level the same argument at many things Pete.
Why spend £10k on a Rolex that keeps time no better than £10 plastic digital watch?
They both do the same job and the Rolex is no more accurate but Rolex are a huge and successful company.
Why buy Church shoes when Clarks do the same job at half the price? Or Jimmy Choo for 10 times the price of Clarks?

There is an endless list of high priced yet desirable things that are not a lot better in reality than items a lot cheaper so why do it? The designer brands do very well out of it.

in those cases, theyre status symbols, nothing more. however, a works van, on the other hand.....

 

[AMGeed]

in those cases, theyre status symbols, nothing more. however, a works van, on the other hand.....

In the case of Rolex, they are also an investment.

 

[Submariner1]

I don't think anything I say will satisfy you as you've clearly already made up your mind.
If you don't like it don't buy it.
I have an old 500SL and find parts very reasonable (in the main - there are the odd exceptions).
I also have a 2001 E-Class and parts for that are cheaper than the Smart I also have.

Just because you get the parts from MB doesn't mean they have to fit them (your A-class example). In fact if you did I'd say you were crazy. There are far better independent specialists than the main MB dealers and they not only charge less but they usually get it right first time.

Not sure where the £750 comes from I bought 2 front discs ( from a main dealer) for the wifes A Class, about £40 each and £60 for pads. Circa £120. And £3 thread locker, and £8 for a sensor. To me that was typical shopping trolley like prices?
Being a pretty basic car I changed them myself.

 

[mikestrivens]

In the case of Rolex, they are also an investment.

Unlike any modern Mercedes.