Jeremy Corbyn.

[Craiglxviii]

Not to mention McDonnell,who likes to quote from and wave around in Parliament Mao's little red book.
Google the worst mass murderer in history & you'll come up with Mao.

Only as long as you’re a non- Progressive Liberal. And that’s because in their view, you’re just too thick to understand what he was about... of course to everyone else he was a common or garden thug who committed one of the worst mainly unknown atrocities this side of Genghis Khan.

 

[davemercedes]

Only as long as you’re a non- Progressive Liberal. And that’s because in their view, you’re just too thick to understand what he was about... of course to everyone else he was a common or garden thug who committed one of the worst mainly unknown atrocities this side of Genghis Khan.

The thing is, there are rotten apples in every political barrel. Each party and the breed (politicians in general) has it's own scandal period and just when you think one thing has been sorted, what goes around comes back around - only this week, yet again an expenses "scandal" hit the press with just 17 peers claiming expenses totalling £400K while 115 Lords claimed £1.5M (last year) despite failing to speak.

But the main thing with Corbyn is that everybody including most of his own MPs thought he wouldn't even survive as leader (I didn't either - I also thought he had condemned his party to the "wilderness" for two years or more). But the remarkable thing is he did survive and very nearly toppled the government. But instead of looking at why that happened and making some changes, the government has continued more or less as they were and it took internal unrest before they even considered changes to the pay restraint (effectively pay cuts for many) - so that's why they're terrified that they could let Corbin in.

 

[Yugguy]

Or you could say that the tories mounted the worst election campaign for many a year yet Labour still didnt win.

 

[Frontstep]

Or you could say that the tories mounted the worst election campaign for many a year yet Labour still didnt win.

Absolutely the dour Theresa offered pain and Jeremy offered anything and everything yet lost.
What is becoming clear from the Brexit negotiations that she has some steel, European President Tusk warns the EU will be "defeated" unless they maintain absolute unity.

Many spoke and some still do of the UK being kicked around buy the other EU members, that is starting to unravel as nations self interest starts to surface.

Which leader wants to go back to their country and say sorry I have just ruined your export market with the UK.

Who would I send to negotiate with Donald Tusk et al Jeremy or Theresa ?

I would have trouble thinking Jeremy could do better and almost certainly he would present me with a bigger bill.

 

[PovertySpec]

Who would I send to negotiate with Donald Tusk et al Jeremy or Theresa ?

Jeremy. Without a doubt. Clarkson.

 

[davemercedes]

Or you could say that the tories mounted the worst election campaign for many a year yet Labour still didnt win.

That's true and everything about the current lot and the shambolic way they well present themselves is part of the ingredients - but then that's basically true of every election - the electorate make a judgment on the incumbent's performance and perceived trustworthiness and decide whether t vote them back in or not.

But that's also rather in denial about what happened - all the time we were all saying "Corbyn will be gone by next week" etc the public trusted May and her squabbling cabinet less and less but in the beginning his personal ratings and labour's could not really have gone any lower. And yet they nearly unseated a sitting Tory government and his rating is still high - yougov (for what it's worth) says" Voting Intention: Conservatives 39%, Labour 42%" (10-11 Oct). And this is a time of "crisis" when the electorate traditionally swing towards the government.

None of that makes Corbyn the ideal candidate for PM in the next election, but then Trump wasn't the ideal candidate for POTUS was he?

 

[Frontstep]

Nearly, Theresa the dull got more votes than Cameron in 2010 or 2015 nobody says nearly for Milliband. His claim to fame is he didn't lose by as much as expected.

 

[Xtractorfan]

Simples, Theresa lost her majority and is on the way down...Jeremy is on the way up as his vote increased. When in politics and with only pollsters to predict the future, then who can tell if the rise and fall will continue. It would be a brave person who would ever think of making a decision to try for another massacre.

 

[davemercedes]

But while she keeps rabbiting on about "democracy" and "the will of the people" her personal rating is down the tubes while her left wing opponent is riding high. As a person who proclaims her desire to put right injustices etc, if she was honest she would look at why.

I find it disgraceful the way things only change when it's clear that her own MPs are likely to oppose her and her cabinet - and then she comes out with the usual rubbish of "we're listening..." while doing a U-Turn.

 

[Naraic]

With a few by-elections for "scandals" she'll be finished.

 

[JBell]

But the main thing with Corbyn is that everybody including most of his own MPs thought he wouldn't even survive as leader (I didn't either - I also thought he had condemned his party to the "wilderness" for two years or more). But the remarkable thing is he did survive and very nearly toppled the government. But instead of looking at why that happened and making some changes, the government has continued more or less as they were and it took internal unrest before they even considered changes to the pay restraint (effectively pay cuts for many) - so that's why they're terrified that they could let Corbin in.

He is popular because people believe he can wave his magic wand and there will be no student debt, nurses / Firefighters etc will get paid £100k a year and he will solve all the problems,

 

[Alfie]

The very worrying thing about Corbyn's style of socialism is that he subscribes to the same doctrine as Stalin and Lenin. socialism has killed over 100M people in the 20th Centrury. The young and naive simply have no idea how bad a far left government is likely to be. they just see this idiot promising free stuff and think 'great' without a thought of how it will all be paid for.

But what I find particularly nasty about the current Labour leadership is their intent on turning politics into the same 'game' if you like as football where one side 'hates' the other and they make statements like 'I want to make sure every tory is hounded wherever they go' and 'I dont want to beat the system I want to change it'. John Mcdonnell is a commited marxist who is hell bent on destroying our country. He encourages his 'activists' to spit at and threaten tories. One female labour MP recently made a complaint about sexual harrassment. she was told to withdraw the complaint or face no future in the party. Its all turning very nasty and there are a few very unsavoury people orchestrating it. I really hope that those 142 MP's who voted no confidence in Corbyn get up off their backsides and form 'Realistic Labour' party so we can get back to having two parties, one slightly left of centre the other slightly right.

 

[JBell]

But what I find particularly nasty about the current Labour leadership is their intent on turning politics into the same 'game' if you like as football where one side 'hates' the other and they make statements like 'I want to make sure every tory is hounded wherever they go' and 'I dont want to beat the system I want to change it'. John Mcdonnell is a commited marxist who is hell bent on destroying our country. He encourages his 'activists' to spit at and threaten tories. One female labour MP recently made a complaint about sexual harrassment. she was told to withdraw the complaint or face no future in the party.

This is what they want, total control over everything, communist state style, Corbyn et al are still living in the 70's and want "mob rule" like that again in order to gain power, should this happen we are all doomed

 

[Yugguy]

Your militant red is every bit as bad as they come. They hate anyone they see as "privileged", which also seems to encompass anyone who's actually got off their arse and worked hard.

 

[LostKiwi]

This is what they want, total control over everything, communist state style, Corbyn et al are still living in the 70's and want "mob rule" like that again in order to gain power, should this happen we are all doomed

May is no better. The 'Great Repeal Bill' has been called an unashamed power grab by many.

 

[JBell]

May is no better. The 'Great Repeal Bill' has been called an unashamed power grab by many.

"The great repeal bill" is about the UK withdrawing from the EU and taking control of our law making processes. i.e not letting the EU dictate how straight our Bananas are

Corbyn is running as if we are still in the 70's and using Marxist / Stalinist ways to maintain control over his minions, he attends rallys and uses festivals for political point scoring while being smartened up but not too much!!

 

[LostKiwi]

"The great repeal bill" is about the UK withdrawing from the EU and taking control of our law making processes. i.e not letting the EU dictate how straight our Bananas are

Corbyn is running as if we are still in the 70's and using Marxist / Stalinist ways to maintain control over his minions, he attends rallys and uses festivals for political point scoring while being smartened up but not too much!!

Yes but the proposed bill gives a lot of power to the government without the need for Parliamentary approval.
Every politician by their nature is a power hungry despot in waiting

 

[JBell]

Yes but the proposed bill gives a lot of power to the government without the need for Parliamentary approval.
Every politician by their nature is a power hungry despot in waiting

For smaller decisions why should we waste time and money on having politicians come to London to vote, for the bigger stuff it should be voted on, all about efficiency.

They are power hungry, nature of the beast

 

[LostKiwi]

For smaller decisions why should we waste time and money on having politicians come to London to vote, for the bigger stuff it should be voted on, all about efficiency.

Because thats the parliamentary process that we follow to ensure democracy is done correctly.

 

[Xtractorfan]

The very worrying thing about Corbyn's style of socialism is that he subscribes to the same doctrine as Stalin and Lenin. socialism has killed over 100M people in the 20th Centrury. The young and naive simply have no idea how bad a far left government is likely to be. they just see this idiot promising free stuff and think 'great' without a thought of how it will all be paid for.

But what I find particularly nasty about the current Labour leadership is their intent on turning politics into the same 'game' if you like as football where one side 'hates' the other and they make statements like 'I want to make sure every tory is hounded wherever they go' and 'I dont want to beat the system I want to change it'. John Mcdonnell is a commited marxist who is hell bent on destroying our country. He encourages his 'activists' to spit at and threaten tories. One female labour MP recently made a complaint about sexual harrassment. she was told to withdraw the complaint or face no future in the party. Its all turning very nasty and there are a few very unsavoury people orchestrating it. I really hope that those 142 MP's who voted no confidence in Corbyn get up off their backsides and form 'Realistic Labour' party so we can get back to having two parties, one slightly left of centre the other slightly right.

Alfie you tend to have a distinct dislike of anything labour, you pick up on the same stuff that is being pumped out day and daily by the Tory press and their followers. I would say if you dig deep enough you will find much more severe rot within the tories.
John McDonnell is part of the labour movement, just like Boris Johnston is part of the Tory party, do you honestly think that either of these two could have major influence even if they were in positions of power.
McDonnell's socialist views are not to bring this country to its knees, but to bring prosperity to the people who live in this country, what is wrong with that.. I'll tell you what is wrong with it, If people were talking about it, the Tories would never be back in power.
Do you honestly believe that Jeremy Corbyn hates this country and wishes to destroy it. His destruction policy is only concerned with destroying the hold that a very few have over the lives of millions of the people of this country. what is wrong with wanting a better life for all of our people.. OH I'll tell you what is wrong with it. If all of the people of this country had access to a decent job and the means of making a better life for themselves, the Tories would never get back into power. That is why it cannot happen. That is why it cannot be allowed to happen.
I know lots of you guys have done all right in your lives, why should you now want to keep down and make light of those who have no chance of ever getting a decent chance to make it good.
No doubt the Tories will tell you that their way of doing it is how people will be able to get jobs and make life better for themselves. Keep them in poverty and make them work for peanuts, give them a living wage but let the bosses decide how many hours they are needed and keep them in poverty. There is always a sting in the tail of Tory policies that set out to help the poor and needy.
Do you really believe that the best thing for this country is a party that is steeped in the city, and big business, is the best way forward for the country, or is going to be working to make better the lives of the workers who happen to be keeping the country going, whilst they are lying back and reaping the benefits.
Corbyn is liked because he is genuine and cares. There is no way you can fake that and get away with it.