Time to end the Great Diag Rip-Off

[television]

Indeed on can do their own work, when done get it passed.

 

[PovertySpec]

...because the rules have changed and it's illegal to do home electrics in bathrooms and *******s without the correct certificates.

Not strictly true as you've stated it, I sailed through the loopholes just after they were introduced, and I'm not getting into an argument here.

Suffice to say I won the argument with building control, much to their disappointment

Everyone has their own interpretations of the rules, same as the gas regs.

In any case, anyone who does their own gas/electric and who doesn't know what they are doing deserves to be blowed up.

 

[MercSLK]

I do, I have been doing it all morning , but I cannot tell that when I sell the house.

Ahhh...understood. I'll be the same! Like you, I'll know that whatever's been done it'll have been done right.

MercSLK

 

[television]

Not strictly true as you've stated it, I sailed through the loopholes just after they were introduced, and I'm not getting into an argument here.

Suffice to say I won the argument with building control, much to their disappointment

Everyone has their own interpretations of the rules, same as the gas regs.

In any case, anyone who does their own gas/electric and who doesn't know what they are doing deserves to be blowed up.

Yes I moved my own gas meter, just do the checks for leaks and it should not blow up. It is after all only plumbing

 

[Frontstep]

...because the rules have changed and it's illegal to do home electrics in bathrooms and *******s without the correct certificates.

Thats a new one on me .

 

[MercSLK]

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In any case, anyone who does their own gas/electric and who doesn't know what they are doing deserves to be blowed up.

Or indeed 'deaded' in the very best Goons tradition!

MercSLK

 

[Frontstep]

Not strictly true as you've stated it, I sailed through the loopholes just after they were introduced, and I'm not getting into an argument here.

Suffice to say I won the argument with building control, much to their disappointment

Everyone has their own interpretations of the rules, same as the gas regs.

In any case, anyone who does their own gas/electric and who doesn't know what they are doing deserves to be blowed up.

You can still do your own but not other peoples.

Its an old chestnut that it illegal you just have to be "competent" clearly a periodic for electric and a Landlords for gas means your work has been deemed competently done.


Qualification and supervision

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/regulation/3/made

 

[Naraic]

You can still do your own but not other peoples.

Its an old chestnut that it illegal you just have to be "competent" clearly a periodic for electric and a Landlords for gas means your work has been deemed competently done.


Qualification and supervision

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/regulation/3/made

So, can a homeowner wire their own k-itchen...and then get it signed off?

What about gas...can a homeowner connect their gas cooker...and get it signed off?

Is there a need to get signed off in either situation. You can probably guess why I ask.

 

[Naraic]

Not strictly true as you've stated it, I sailed through the loopholes just after they were introduced, and I'm not getting into an argument here.

Suffice to say I won the argument with building control, much to their disappointment

Everyone has their own interpretations of the rules, same as the gas regs.

In any case, anyone who does their own gas/electric and who doesn't know what they are doing deserves to be blowed up.

Did anyone suggest you would get into an argument here?

 

[PovertySpec]

Did anyone suggest you would get into an argument here?

Not getting into one here, either

 

[MercSLK]

Gas cookers are normally connected using a flexible pipe with bayonet fittings. You are perfectly entitled to disconnect and reconnect such fittings; that's what they are there for. Obviously use common sense and check for leaks using the bubble type solution after re-connection. I still have a free-standing gas cooker and disconnect it about once a year so that I can move it and clean behind it. If I don't clean up any spilled bits of food which accidentally fall down the gaps at the sides it encourages ants.

*******s are a bit more tricky. If it is an existing ******* then and you are modifying an existing ******* then you could just act dumb. If it's a new build then you will probably need a certificate as part of the building regulations and certificate of completion. Whether a sparkie would be prepared to sign off work which he had not done is questionable.

HTH

MercSLK

PS Why is the word ******* being starred out?

 

[television]

A qualified sparky must sign the work off if there are no faults and all done correctly, he can charge a call out fee, let him use your pen to keep the cost down.

 

[PovertySpec]

check for leaks using the bubble type solution after re-connection

A competent person would double check by doing a drop test with a manometer.

The word for the room where you prepare food is banned because of spam.

 

[Frontstep]

So, can a homeowner wire their own k-itchen...and then get it signed off?

What about gas...can a homeowner connect their gas cooker...and get it signed off?

Is there a need to get signed off in either situation. You can probably guess why I ask.

In a nutshell yes its a bit like your MOT you can do the work but not sign your own certificate.

The best way to do it is to inform your "inspector" before you start so they can see it at all points ie before you box it up.

You don't need it signed off until or unless something goes wrong.

For building regs purposes notify before hand your intentions to building control they will talk you through what they require.

 

[television]

A competent person would double check by doing a drop test with a manometer.

The word for the room where you prepare food is banned because of spam.

Its a long time since I have eaten spam, we did just after the war

 

[SL63 Mark]

Did anyone suggest you would get into an argument here?

If you want the full argument, that'll be £5 please.

 

[MercSLK]

A competent person would double check by doing a drop test with a manometer.

I'm not talking about repairing the cooker. I'm saying that when you reconnect the cooker to the supply pipe via the bayonet coupling check for any leaks from the coupling using bubble solution. There is no tap on the supply side of the coupling as it has a ball valve in the fixed part of the coupling which is operated by the action of inserting and locking the bayonet coupling.

When the GasSafe service engineer came to service my girlfriend's central heating boiler he uncoupled the coupling between the gas main supply and the boiler. When he reconnected it using the union he checked it with bubble solution. He did not do a drop test with a manometer and he must have to be considered to be a competent person as he is employed by company who are contracted to do the annual service and he had the GasSafe logo on his van.

MercSLK

 

[Naraic]

Not getting into one here, either

You started it.

 

[PovertySpec]

he must have to be considered to be a competent person as he is employed by company who are contracted to do the annual service and he had the GasSafe logo on his van.

Trust me, this is frighteningly true and you can confirm this with any honest gas engineer, that means very little.

Brother in law and best friend both qualified in the early 90's (ACS, ACOPS, CORGI .. the whole alphabet. Boats, caravans and the 'dark side'

They have seen it all.

They still see dangerous work signed off by 'qualified' pieceworkers, bashing through as many LL's GSCs as possible in a day.

BiL, in a senior inspectors role with probably the best known UK gas company has been through hell because he's been instructed (refused) to put his signature to slap-dash work completed by 'competent people' with that sticker on their van.

A manometer is about £25. The instructions are on-line. It takes 10 minutes to be certain

 

[Alfie]

Blimey, came back to see how this thread was evolving and its morphed into gas repairs!

To try and go back a bit towards the thread, had two cars in today with MOST issues. One had been at an independent for two days and they couldnt find the fault (nor could the main dealer who wanted to replace lots of parts!). Having seen the symptoms before, I went straight to the faulty component, no star needed, replaced the part, one hours labour. Do I charge a low rate because it was easy for me or do I charge the going rate because I happen to know right away how to fix this particular issue and my particular experience in this area is rare, knowing the customer would have little or no luck elsewhere?