1987 mercedes 190E gear selection

[turtle2023]

Hi everyone i have just joined the forum and have a question about my newly aquired 190E, it has an automatic gearbox but i can select forward or reverse gears without using the footbrake, is this normal? all other autos i have owned needed the brake applied to select gears. Any help would be greatly received

 

[Blobcat]

Hello and welcome

 

[DREAMER NO2]

Well if your engine is running at the required revs, then the foot brake will be needed to hold the car stationary . Most cars with auto boxes i have owned ,they all had the urge to move if you dont use the foot brake . Whats the rev counter tell you at stand still in park ?

 

[harrye500]

I would suggest a 1987 car doesn't need to have (and never had) footbrake protection i.e. you can select gears without having to depress the brake pedal. I have owned older auto cars and they also had no brake pedal protection. That is a feature of more modern vehicles. Specifically for the 190 I'm not 100% certain but would think my thoughts are correct.

 

[DREAMER NO2]

Harrye500 No one is talking about footbrake protection ,,,,come on this is a 1987 190E car . Once started then Its all down to the speed of the engine . If engine speed is as it should be .,then the car will try to creep so you check it with the foot brake .
Tertle2023 i will ask you again.. whats the rev counter showing , when the car is in neutral with sthe ervice brake on .?

 

[turtle2023]

Well if your engine is running at the required revs, then the foot brake will be needed to hold the car stationary . Most cars with auto boxes i have owned ,they all had the urge to move if you dont use the foot brake . Whats the rev counter tell you at stand still in park ?

Rev counter is at 800 rpm, even at higher revs a gear can be selected

 

[DREAMER NO2]

Rev counter is at 800 rpm, even at higher revs a gear can be selected

So the gears r can be selected 800 rpm and above . And the car wont move forward that what your saying ?If so you have a gearbpx problem
I recon both cables need setting up via manual instructions . Then see how it is .

 

[turtle2023]

So the gears r can be selected 800 rpm and above . And the car wont move forward that what your saying ?If so you have a gearbpx problem
I recon both cables need setting up via manual instructions . Then see how it is .

Thanks for your help but the issue is that when i am at standstill i can select forward or reverse gear without my foot having to be on the brake, i thought it was a safety feature to stop the car being put into gear by mistake when the engine is running

 

[harrye500]

Hi there, I would refer you to my notes above - your car is too early to have that safety feature so you will be able to select any gears without having to apply the footbrake.

 

[DREAMER NO2]

Harry The foot brake is used to stop the motor from creep . Most autos i have owned tend to move off, if not held on the brake . NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THE FOOT BRAKE ON 1987 190E

 

[rayhennig]

when i am at standstill i can select forward or reverse gear without my foot having to be on the brake, i thought it was a safety feature to stop the car being put into gear by mistake

It is. I cannot say whether your car should have it but mine does. Mine is a 1991 W124.

However, like yours, mine is not working; I am able to select gears without pressing on the brake.

On mine, there is a cable from brake pedal to gear lever. That cable releases a lock on the gear lever. However, the pedal does not progress high enough to trigger the lock. I want to get that fixed.

So, have a look at the pedal and see if there is a cable.

RayH

 

[DREAMER NO2]

Ray poster is on the 190e If your right its another new thing i have learnt .Looking in the manual i can see no information on this .I know that newer cars made have it but not as early as 1991.

 

[rayhennig]

.I know that newer cars made have it but not as early as 1991.

This on my 1991 300:



A cable goes from that to the gear lever to lock:





R

 

[DREAMER NO2]

Ray, yes i can can see it now in the picture you provided above . I will take another look in my manual .

 

[horatio]

I’ll check on my 190E. I instinctively put my foot on the brake so it’s not something I would find out without deliberately trying! The gear stick needs to be in park to allow the ignition key to release.

 

[EmilysDad]

I'm pretty sure I did NOT need to press the brake pedal to move from Park on my C reg Carlton.
Having to press the brake to engage drive is just another product of the cotton wool wrapped modern world .... many manuals now need the clutch pressing to start them. Emily's keyless manual Yaris needs one or the other pressing to start it (I don't drive it often enough to remember which )

 

[EmilysDad]

Thanks for your help but the issue is that when i am at standstill i can select forward or reverse gear without my foot having to be on the brake, i thought it was a safety feature to stop the car being put into gear by mistake when the engine is running

is there not a button or similar on the shift lever that needs to be pressed before the lever can move? All my autos with a mechanical shift lever have had some sort of button that needs to be pressed to allow the lever to be moved

 

[DREAMER NO2]

EmilysDad As i said before all of the autos i have owned, you just moved the selector , just one auto that i had did have a button, and that was my Rover V8 . But proof above that the item was in fact fitted to some models . More of up market models would have had them as standard .