200e uk registered august 2003 nokia phone

[cormac]

i have just purchased an imported an E200 ELEGANCE 2003 REGISTERED IN ENGLAND IN AUG 2003 into Ireland From england.Can someone tell me if the nokia 6310 adaptor which is not listed in the manual as an extra (NO ASTERIX) is in fact an optional extra as i cannot find the cradle in the armrest.
Also is this the same as the 2004 current model as mine has no identification logos on the boot ,apart from the mercedes logo, and other kompressors that i have seen have E 200 and the word KOMPRESSOR on the boot.

 

[Arnie]

The "No Model Inscription" (no model identification on the back) is just a no-cost option. I once read that in the UK, people tend to go for it to disguise the fact they have a base-model car, while in Germany people go for it to disguise they have a top model car. :lol:

I don't think any significant changes have yet been made to the car since launch.

Be aware that the new E-class is subject to a recall for the Sensotronic brakes.

I don't know about the phone cradle, but there is some info here:
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/phones.html

 

[cormac]

hi arnie,
I just got off the phone with the local merc dealer who tells me that if the phone cradle was not included in the original build then iot cannot be done now.I am just wiondering if this is a load of bs.
I also asked him about the recall you mentioned, he didnt know anything about that.Can u tell me ,could it be specific to cars sold in the uk, which would include mine or is it a global recall.

 

[cormac]

retro fitting NOKIA PHONE

hI Arnie
Is it possible to have the nokia phone system retro fitted if the wiring was not in the car at build, and if it is what is needed ,where could i get it and roughly what are costs involved.
My dealer says its not possible,but ,well he is a dealer and they have easier ways of making money.

 

[Arnie]

Cormac,

There was an article in CAR magazine (July) that mentioned 35,000 E and SL cars in the UK are being recalled because of problems with the electronic brakes. It also mentioned that MB are not planning to fit these any longer on future car models (as well as the air-suspension systems that are also problematic).

The article said it relates to the possibility of the brakes malfunctioning, having to revert to the hydaulic backup, particularly if the car covers a lot of in-town miles. The recall is for a recalibration and reprogramming of the brake system.

I was at my dealer last week when a lady dropped off her keys to a new SL-500 because of this recall.

I think that ALL cars with sensotronic brakes are subject to recall worldwide.

With regards to the phone, anything can be retrofitted, if you have enough time/money. It's just a question of how much needs to be dismantled and what other parts may need to be changed for compatability. I'm afraid that with regards to the E-class and the Nokia phone, I do not have the details. However, if the system is on the old D2B optical bus, there is a specific order for the components to be linked together. The newer system uses the MOST optical data bus (probably this is what you have), but I don't know enough about this. I would guess that you will require a phone interface (controller), some wiring, some connectors and some reprogramming of the system so that it recognises the new toy, but this may require more expertise than your average dealer especially as these systems are relatively new.

The article below will give you an idication of the parts you may require. The main one is the controller (Portable Support Electronics -PSE), that links the phone with the car's systems, and then the cradle.

Send a fax to your dealer quoting the part numbers below and ask for some prices.


from this article: http://www.whnet.com/4x4/phones.html :

The Nokia 6310i
is an alternative to the proprietary MB Motorola V60c phone. The generic 6310i plugs right into the factory installed cradle and is used in many countries outside of the US. A phone controller integrates it with the phone keypad on Mercedes radios:

203 820 25 85 PSE for 6310i for MB with D2B
211 820 13 85 PSE for 6310i for MB with MOST (W211 sedan and estate)

The least expensive install just uses the controller above and the adapter 203 820 07 51 in the center armrest. With handyphone in the center armrest it's factory option code 382 or with without the phone, just the cradle and harness, antenna option code 380 for ? 510. A compensator BQ 682 0657 can be used which should prevent dropped calls in sparse coverage areas. Other phones compatible with this setup are: Nokia 5110, Nokia 5130, Nokia 6110, Nokia 6130, Nokia 6150, Nokia 6210 and Nokia 6310.

Some parts for phone installations:
203 820 11 51 Take-up device "Handyphone" for 6310i (also compatible with earlier Nokias, e.g. 6210 etc)
More info is on the Peiker server since they produce the Handyphone and the UHI adapters.
230 823 00 60 holder for above
163 540 74 10 phone harness, short
203 820 39 26 1900 MHz compensator/amplifier
The console for side mounting is made by Kuda and can be ordered color matched, also in leather, and also from MB dealers.

The MOST fiber port of this phone controller is 4 to 5 times faster than the D2B fiber in the M-Class. Pictured is the CP-LIGHT one connector PSE for cars without TeleAid.
pic: scorchie



Portable Support Electronics (PSE), phone controller or Telefon Steuergerät
220 820 09 85 PSE for Nokia phones with D2B
220 820 13 85 PSE for Nokias (incl 6310i) with D2B
203 820 25 85 PSE for Nokia phones (incl 6310i) with D2B
211 820 13 85 PSE for Nokias (incl 6310i) in W211 with MOST
BQ 682 0648 PSE for Motorola Timeport
BQ 682 0754 PSE for Timeport or V60 autosense (replaced)
BQ 682 0845 PSE as of Jan 03 this is latest and greatest Moto PSE

THB Handsfree Phones with Voice Dial
works best with Nokias, like the 6310i and Germanic accent. more

 

[cormac]

the shopping list

hi Arnie
Thank you for the prompt reply, I am putting together a list of things that I will need to get this up and running.
I noted that the car id number starts with WDB 21104**** etc.I WOULD GUESS THEN THAT IT IS THE W211 MODEL so the new uhi device will not work in it.
I then think that the pse device required is the 211 820 13 85 PSE with most.The cradle (dont know the number for it) and203 820 39 26 1900 MHz compensator/amplifier and some kind of antenna.I have the 6310i phone already.
How am i doing so far.

 

[Arnie]

Cormac,

sounds good so far.

but, check whether the compensator is required for Europe. GSM frequencies in europe are 1800 and 900 MHz. 1900MHz is for the US/Canada. There may be a European version of the Compensator, or it may not be required. I don't know enough about this.

I would get your dealer to look up the main unit on the Electronic Parts Catalog and then gibve you a copy of the SA diagram which should show all the parts and how they fit together, as well as te references for the part numbers. If they are more helpful, maybe they can print off the worshop instructions for these parts too.

 

[cormac]

would you believe it

Hi Arnie,
Having done all the research and having my dealer confirm all the parts that i need can be got, they then decide that they will not do the work because in their opinion the cost is way too much about ?3000 and it would take about 3 days and the vehicle might develop rattles and creeks because they need to remove seats and carpets to put in a loom.
I cannot now find anybody too take on the job as they say the technology in the car is too new and all are afraid of getting it wrong and causing damage to the vehicle.