Blue Efficiency & Blue Tec Pros and Cons

[Ashman92]

Afternoon All , im looking to purchase a Mercedes C200 13-15 plate ( Diesel) . I just wanted to know what are the Pros and Cons to either Blue Effciency/Blue Tec . I did some research and i found Blue efficiency reduces the pollutants than previous Mercedes Cars . So does that mean overall its Eco-friendly ? Any assistance will be deeply appreciated

 

[Tony Dyson]

The first is a Euro 5 and non ULEZ compliant, the latter is Euro 6 and has all the particulate limiting technologies fitted as the earlier plus the AdBlue system feature with all it's benefits and pitfalls and currently iS ULEZ compliant!

ETA typo

 

[Blobcat]

Hello and welcome

Buy a V6 or V8 petrol whilst you still can…

 

[Paul Garrett]

The first is a Euro 5 and non ULEZ compliant, the latter is Euro 6 and has all the particulate limiting technologies fitted as the earlier plus the AdBlue system feature with all it's benefits and pitfalls and currently iS ULEZ compliant!

ETA typo

So glad i do not drive through London anymore, esp now! It was bad enough years ago, i avoid at all costs now

 

[mioba]

For the enviromnent they are allegedly great. Pro
From a functionality, longeivity and maintenance pov, they are an apparent PITA. Con

Stick with what you have for as long as possible until the govts around the globe decide whats forced on us and the industry can make something reliable.

Or use a bike.

 

[Blobcat]

For the enviromnent they are allegedly great. Pro
From a functionality, longeivity and maintenance pov, they are an apparent PITA. Con

Stick with what you have for as long as possible until the govts around the globe decide whats forced on us and the industry can make something reliable.

Or use a bike.

I use a bike… (although the ecomentalists still don’t like me…)

 

[Misterdog]

Afternoon All , im looking to purchase a Mercedes C200 13-15 plate ( Diesel) . I just wanted to know what are the Pros and Cons to either Blue Effciency/Blue Tec . I did some research and i found Blue efficiency reduces the pollutants than previous Mercedes Cars . So does that mean overall its Eco-friendly ? Any assistance will be deeply appreciated

I've just bought a 2010 A class petrol Blue efficiency. According to the manufacturers owners manual this weighs 20 Kg more than the non Blue efficiency version.

So I'm carrying a bag of cement in my boot to save the planet.

Additional main battery capacity costs an extra £ 60 to replace, when I say main battery there is also an auxilliary battery another 40/50 £.
Additional wear and tear on the clutch, starter motor alternator and loads of additional electronics to go go wrong. Plus of course the carbon footprint of making all these additional items and having to replace them when they fail, strangely the marketing headline fails to mention this.

https://media.daimler.com/marsMedia...nt-environmental-protection.xhtml?oid=9361730

Germany has just brought a new coal fired power station online this year, to provide the power to manufacture all this environmently friendly product.

Germany Brings Last New Coal Plant Online

What is expected to be the last new coal plant to come online in Germany entered commercial operation on May 30, more than a decade after it was first

www.powermag.com

Saving the planet ?

Your call.

 

[00slk]

The only way that the planet can be saved is if everyone in the world stopped what they are doing and go back to living just like the caveman, that'll work and that will be the only way. No cars, no technology, no working no push bike, no laptops no industry. But alas, all the do gooders and environmentalist doing what they are protesting for doing just that, down tools and become caveman, I don't think so! These people I think are the biggest hypocrites in the world and are one of the most contributors to GW
Millions and millions or years ago when (most of us on here were young children and played with the millions and millions of pet animals) the Dinosaurs died out, maybe from global warming, maybe Covid (that's been around for many years which a lot of us didn't know) all we know is what ever happened there were huge floods, fires, storms etc and was it put down to global warming??? Yes it was because the planet was run by billions of animals, big animals like the Dinosaurs and these monstrous animals produced so much methane it caused global warming and eventually destroyed nearly all living species.
I am a great believer in the mother nature theory and this air pollution might be speeding up the destruction of the world but who in the hell is going to stop and do what is needed to slow the worlds GW process.......Nobody will, everything we have in our possession is made and this contributes to air pollution, the food we cook also adds pollutants into the atmosphere. Heating your home, now they want us to use another form which still contributes to AP, maybe do the sensible thing and wear more woollen clothing, but wait, how can we do this without putting more pollutants in the air? You can't because we need the transportation of the animal to the slaughter house, then the processing of the wool. Then there is the 'we want everyone to drive electric cars' thing! Really, this is the most major contribution to AP. First off the sourcing of the materials to produce the car batteries for these horrendously over price pointless machines (that I too have considered but research showed me was more expensive for me than running the Money Pit!) Then driving, not many know that the electric motors give off a form of carbon deposit which will see its way up in to the sky.
So if we are too save the planet, go back to how we lived millions and millions of years ago!!...............I'm off for a joy ride in my gas guzzling petrol V8. We are only here for a short time on this planet, enjoy it while you can, let the next generation do the same, oh wait a minute, they'll be living on the Planet Moon or Mars, the options are endless.......

 

[Paul Garrett]

The only way that the planet can be saved is if everyone in the world stopped what they are doing and go back to living just like the caveman, that'll work and that will be the only way. No cars, no technology, no working no push bike, no laptops no industry. But alas, all the do gooders and environmentalist doing what they are protesting for doing just that, down tools and become caveman, I don't think so! These people I think are the biggest hypocrites in the world and are one of the most contributors to GW
Millions and millions or years ago when (most of us on here were young children and played with the millions and millions of pet animals) the Dinosaurs died out, maybe from global warming, maybe Covid (that's been around for many years which a lot of us didn't know) all we know is what ever happened there were huge floods, fires, storms etc and was it put down to global warming??? Yes it was because the planet was run by billions of animals, big animals like the Dinosaurs and these monstrous animals produced so much methane it caused global warming and eventually destroyed nearly all living species.
I am a great believer in the mother nature theory and this air pollution might be speeding up the destruction of the world but who in the hell is going to stop and do what is needed to slow the worlds GW process.......Nobody will, everything we have in our possession is made and this contributes to air pollution, the food we cook also adds pollutants into the atmosphere. Heating your home, now they want us to use another form which still contributes to AP, maybe do the sensible thing and wear more woollen clothing, but wait, how can we do this without putting more pollutants in the air? You can't because we need the transportation of the animal to the slaughter house, then the processing of the wool. Then there is the 'we want everyone to drive electric cars' thing! Really, this is the most major contribution to AP. First off the sourcing of the materials to produce the car batteries for these horrendously over price pointless machines (that I too have considered but research showed me was more expensive for me than running the Money Pit!) Then driving, not many know that the electric motors give off a form of carbon deposit which will see its way up in to the sky.
So if we are too save the planet, go back to how we lived millions and millions of years ago!!...............I'm off for a joy ride in my gas guzzling petrol V8. We are only here for a short time on this planet, enjoy it while you can, let the next generation do the same, oh wait a minute, they'll be living on the Planet Moon or Mars, the options are endless.......

So in a nutshell what you are saying is that we are all F@#$%&d!!!!

 

[Craiglxviii]

Nah. Not really we aren’t. Bit of sea level rise, bit of temperature increase, few more mouths to feed. What else do we see?

Technology dramatically reducing the planetary “hotel load” power requirements. LEDs use <15% of traditional lighting snd last 100x as long. That alone gives us enough generating capacity to cover electric vehicles.

Power generation moving more to wind/ solar, so producing fewer greenhouse gases and at the same time, moving away from heat engines so less heat energy is being dumped into the planetary heatsink.

Food/ agritech is moving further into the realms of high technology. It’s now possible to build a skyscraper with enough hydroponics volume to feed the population of it, powered only by solar PV. So regardless of meat/ not meat, we can replace high-land-cost agriculture with sterile hydroponics growth, no pests/ pesticides and no washing needed prior to consumption.

The truth of the matter is that we’re heading the right way to slowly recover the environment without reducing ourselves to Bronze Age standards of living, but of course the rabid eco types won’t admit it.

 

[Blobcat]

Nah. Not really we aren’t. Bit of sea level rise, bit of temperature increase, few more mouths to feed. What else do we see?

Technology dramatically reducing the planetary “hotel load” power requirements. LEDs use <15% of traditional lighting snd last 100x as long. That alone gives us enough generating capacity to cover electric vehicles.

Power generation moving more to wind/ solar, so producing fewer greenhouse gases and at the same time, moving away from heat engines so less heat energy is being dumped into the planetary heatsink.

Food/ agritech is moving further into the realms of high technology. It’s now possible to build a skyscraper with enough hydroponics volume to feed the population of it, powered only by solar PV. So regardless of meat/ not meat, we can replace high-land-cost agriculture with sterile hydroponics growth, no pests/ pesticides and no washing needed prior to consumption.

The truth of the matter is that we’re heading the right way to slowly recover the environment without reducing ourselves to Bronze Age standards of living, but of course the rabid eco types won’t admit it.

I very much disagree on wind - way too much SF6 and inability to generate when power required.

LEDs aren’t anything like as reliable as quoted, probably because an accountant or three snuck in when the engineers weren’t looking...
Fitting a unit so you have to change >£1,000 headlight, rather than an individual LED isn’t friendly to anyone other than the manufacturers shareholders…

 

[mioba]

I very much disagree on wind - way too much SF6 and inability to generate when power required.

LEDs aren’t anything like as reliable as quoted, probably because an accountant or three snuck in when the engineers weren’t looking...
Fitting a unit so you have to change >£1,000 headlight, rather than an individual LED isn’t friendly to anyone other than the manufacturers shareholders…

Thats V true and a super bug bear of mine. For the sake of one led that costs pennies one has to replace an entire unit (be it a nice lamp in the house, a car light fitting, etc).

 

[Misterdog]

For all the 'trimming' we do in europe to reduce carbon consumption,
Reducing our cars, carbon --- emmisions---

https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-worlds-coal-power-plants

Totally eclipsed by the rest of the world. Many of whom are only now having the industrial revolution we had over 100 years ago.
Who are we to say that all these people should not have the fridges,central heating and cars that we take for granted.

MB tell me that carrying a 20Kg bag of cement in my boot is saving fuel, with Blue efficiency.

I beg to differ.

 

[Misterdog]

Thats V true and a super bug bear of mine. For the sake of one led that costs pennies one has to replace an entire unit (be it a nice lamp in the house, a car light fitting, etc).

Though that is the capitalism which drives the world, based on profits, not the good of humanity.

The make do and mend philosophy that I was brought up on has no place in todays save the planet ( and increase our profit margin) based society.

 

[Paul Garrett]

Though that is the capitalism which drives the world, based on profits, not the good of humanity.

The make do and mend philosophy that I was brought up on has no place in todays save the planet ( and increase our profit margin) based society.

So glad i do not have any LED lights on my old Merc esp day running lights
...

 

[Craiglxviii]

I very much disagree on wind - way too much SF6 and inability to generate when power required.

LEDs aren’t anything like as reliable as quoted, probably because an accountant or three snuck in when the engineers weren’t looking...
Fitting a unit so you have to change >£1,000 headlight, rather than an individual LED isn’t friendly to anyone other than the manufacturers shareholders…

Agree or disagree, the numbers in a global setting are pretty telling. But it’s not just wind. Solar PV is also making serious inroads. Throw in EVs as a brand new power storage solution and you have massive grid flexibility that didn’t exist even conceptually a decade ago.
LEDs ARE that reliable. Sorry that you disagree but again the fact and data is out there. I worked for a business designing snd making them, a decade ago we had product capable of- and successfully achieving 5-7 year lifespan. And doing same on 10% the power of incandescent lighting. Or 3-5% greater than flourescent lighting but hugely more robust. Incidentally nothing there was about swapping out whole units for profitability, more that the inherent design requirements of LEDs mean that the whole lamp must be unitised for optimum performance.

 

[EmilysDad]

....
LEDs ARE that reliable. ....

I wish you'd tell that to the led lamps I fitted in my kitchen .....

 

[Blobcat]

Agree or disagree, the numbers in a global setting are pretty telling. But it’s not just wind. Solar PV is also making serious inroads. Throw in EVs as a brand new power storage solution and you have massive grid flexibility that didn’t exist even conceptually a decade ago.
LEDs ARE that reliable. Sorry that you disagree but again the fact and data is out there. I worked for a business designing snd making them, a decade ago we had product capable of- and successfully achieving 5-7 year lifespan. And doing same on 10% the power of incandescent lighting. Or 3-5% greater than flourescent lighting but hugely more robust. Incidentally nothing there was about swapping out whole units for profitability, more that the inherent design requirements of LEDs mean that the whole lamp must be unitised for optimum performance.

So >£2k every 5-7 years for both headlights… sounds great…

Regarding wind power, I could go into the diesel generator fields that provide power when the wind isn’t right. One thing the grid isn’t is flexible.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

We are heading for power cuts - when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow and it’s bl**dy cold out there. Our so called politicians had the opportunity to build 5 more PWR nuclear power stations in 1995 when Sizewell B was completed…..

 

[Blobcat]

We are heading for power cuts - when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow and it’s bl**dy cold out there. Our so called politicians had the opportunity to build 5 more PWR nuclear power stations in 1995 when Sizewell B was completed…..

One of the reasons “Smart” meters are being forced upon us.