Car Tax Dilemma

[moosehead]

Just had the renewal come through for the C230. Do I tax it for 6 months which will take me through to the end of Jan 09 then tax it for 12 months at the current £210 rate. As it's a gas guzzling polluter (35mpg on a run) at 233g/km I will then be into the £415 rate from next April.

 

[Juddian]

I would do exactly that, no telling what dick turpin and his henchmen may do in the Autumn, but its a safe bet its going up.

He may have got the other backbench expense claimers to believe him when they cried wolf for the nth time a couple of weeks ago, and threatened to vote against the party (comrade), but if a politician told me it was daylight outside i'd have to pop out and check.

The small amount you lose by taxing for 6 this time is worth the gamble to me.

Its a free country, except for those of us that pay for it.

 

[jberks]

its a reasonably safe bet that you won't lose out as much by doing what you suggest as you would by not.
I'm not convinced that this will go through. On the one hand, Gordon and his band or merry thieves have bankrupted the treasury so are looking for anything they can do to prop up their regime - but on the other, whilst they know they'll be crossing the house shortly, a fair few of his cronies are staring down the barrel of losing their expense accounts should it go too badly wrong at the next election.

They've already lost the vote of anyone who pays tax or doesn't have a civil service pension, but they still have a fair following amongst the scroungers. This tax hike will hit those folk hardest so there is a fair chance he will have to drop this one, or to put it his way - "Pospone it's implementation".

 

[Rory]

Mine is due end August and I'm certainly planning to re-tax for 6mths, so it'll come up for renewal at end of Feb.

 

[Silver Arrow]

I did read somewhere, (Telegraph, I think) that our public servants had a cunning plan to prevent people turning in their tax disc at the end of the month for a refund, then applying for 12 months at the old rate.
You should get away with the six months ploy though.

 

[David Nock]

Yep - looks like a good plan. Mines already Feb renewal otherwise I would do the same.

 

[CMR]

Hope more people do this, I've just chosen the six months route too

 

[Jasper Blue]

Unless I am mistaken, this applies only to people with cars registered before 23/03/06 but after 01/03/01.

Mine, for example, was registered in October 2006 so when my tax needs renewing this year I'll be stung for the full £400. Yes I did know that when I bought it but it will still hurt!

Boris for PM!

 

[jibcl500]

Boris has already axed the £25 CC charge.

jib

 

[hawk20]

Boris has already axed the £25 CC charge.

jib

Or put it another way: Porsche won their case.

 

[Rory]

Unless I am mistaken, this applies only to people with cars registered before 23/03/06 but after 01/03/01.

Mine, for example, was registered in October 2006 so when my tax needs renewing this year I'll be stung for the full £400. Yes I did know that when I bought it but it will still hurt!

Boris for PM!

The £400 for over 225 CO2 cars is a separate thing really and will happen regardless of other changes.

It's the increases that come in from the 2009 onwards review that we're trying to delay.

 

[AnthUK]

These tax rises are going to hurt one hell of a lot of people. We sold our S500 recently because of forthcoming car tax increases and also fuel hike. Lost a fortune on it but dealer showed us his guide which proved prices on S500's were dropping £600 per month recently. Gordon Brown is an absolute clown who has given me no choice but to sell my little bit of luxury which I worked damned hard for! He is becoming almost like a Dictator. OK for him to spend £500k on a private jet to fly to G8 summit for his 18 course meal. Rest of us have to forget any kind of ambition, pay our taxes and watch our standard of living drop week by week!!! Get him out!!! Onlu upside is that this will surely be the straw that broke the camels back. He had diddly squat chance of winning next election and it should be quite entertaining to see the absolute arse kicking his robbing party get!!! RANT OVER!!

 

[Juddian]

Only one problem with the no great loss of nulab.

Whats the alternative, out of the 2 likely ones, we all know who's going to get it, i don't remember them being any better last time.

Sorry silly me, their leader looks nicer than nulab's, thats all that matters these days it seems.

Never forget, the power crazed opposition (in name only) will say anything to get the votes to get in.

 

[AnthUK]

I just feel that maybe at least a few Conservatives are well educated and actually have a clue how to handle economy (Mr Cameron certainly is and runs rings around Mr Bean in the commons). Gordon seems embarrassingly thick and can only recite from notes.He fumbles and struggles. When he does actually come up with something it is usually merely some ridiculous massaged fact or spin. He is a joke and is leading us into one hell of a mess! Mr Cameron is so much more intelligent and needs no notes. He can look people in the eye and actually looks honest. Gordon looks like some 18th century thief, shifty and a nasty look to say the least.He has robbed us blind since Labour came to power and has now skinted this once great country. Why should I pay all these taxes to provide Child Benefit for some maybe non existent child in Eastern Europe when my 64 year old Father who is crippled with Arthritis cannot claim a bean! Get Brown out now!!

 

[hawk20]

The £400 for over 225 CO2 cars is a separate thing really and will happen regardless of other changes.

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The budget of 2006 sensibly applied the £400 tax only to cars bought and first registered after the budget. It was not retrospective to cars emitting over 225 of CO2 but bought before the 2006 budget. The change that darling Darling has made is to apply the higher tax even to cars bought and registered before the 2006 budget. That is what should be stopped. It is unfair because it is retrospective - taxing people for something they have already done in the past. And it is not 'green' because the purchase has been done and cannot be undone. Taxing new cars that are 'gas guzzlers' can be a 'green' policy because it may deter people from buying large engines and may encourage them to buy less polluting cars.

But taxing old cars, already bought, and pretending this is to save the planet has all the hallmarks of a stealth tax; and none of the hallmarks of a green tax.

 

[jazzenator]

The budget of 2006 sensibly applied the £400 tax only to cars bought and first registered after the budget. It was not retrospective to cars emitting over 225 of CO2 but bought before the 2006 budget. The change that darling Darling has made is to apply the higher tax even to cars bought and registered before the 2006 budget. That is what should be stopped. It is unfair because it is retrospective - taxing people for something they have already done in the past. And it is not 'green' because the purchase has been done and cannot be undone. Taxing new cars that are 'gas guzzlers' can be a 'green' policy because it may deter people from buying large engines and may encourage them to buy less polluting cars.

But taxing old cars, already bought, and pretending this is to save the planet has all the hallmarks of a stealth tax; and none of the hallmarks of a green tax.

Completely agree, forcing people to buy newer cars whilst scrapping perfectly good older cars is not the way to help the environment, just think of those extra green house gases that will be produced for the manufacture of newer cars.

 

[JEZ.S320L]

This is in no way a 'Green Tax'. It is simply yet another way of fleecing the motorist in order to prop up this bankrupt and corrupt Government.

I doubt if there is a single member of this Forum, who believes for a single nano-second, that our individual cars contribute to 'climate change' in whatever form this lying, thieving bunch of MP's would like to have us believe.

There was Mr Bean 'advising' us to to stop wasting food, then sits down to a multi-course meal - THEN LEAVES MOST OF IT. Talk about hypocritical.!!!

Same with cars. WE are expected to run around in poxy 'toy town' cars - BUT Mr Bean and his band of thieves, continue to have their 'perks' by way of being driven around in a fleet of limosines.

 

[JEZ.S320L]

.................. Get Brown out now!!

Keep him there - it's the best PR for DC there'e ever been.!!

Fumble and stumble - like it

 

[Juddian]

I just feel that maybe at least a few Conservatives are well educated and actually have a clue how to handle economy (Mr Cameron certainly is and runs rings around Mr Bean in the commons). Gordon seems embarrassingly thick and can only recite from notes.He fumbles and struggles. When he does actually come up with something it is usually merely some ridiculous massaged fact or spin. He is a joke and is leading us into one hell of a mess! Mr Cameron is so much more intelligent and needs no notes. He can look people in the eye and actually looks honest. Gordon looks like some 18th century thief, shifty and a nasty look to say the least.He has robbed us blind since Labour came to power and has now skinted this once great country. Why should I pay all these taxes to provide Child Benefit for some maybe non existent child in Eastern Europe when my 64 year old Father who is crippled with Arthritis cannot claim a bean! Get Brown out now!!

I agree with all you say here, unfortunately some of the most successful confidence tricksters of all time have been well spoken, suave, and good looking too.
And every one of them follows the politicians/con men's law, which is 'tell them what they want to hear'
Just think of the various cads that Peter Bowles has played so well over the years for some more humorous examples.

Whoever gets in will feed deeply from the trough and look after their sponsors and paymasters.

Don't get the idea that i have any sympathy whatsoever with nulab, i like so may others who've been kicked in the whatsits over the years by successive governments, saw through Bliar when many were swooning over him with his good looks and rhetoric.
(delay here while i throw up)
And don't for one minute think he's finished with us, when he's got enough money from his 'investments', political and financial, quite when he will have enough is incalculable, he'll govern this country yet again from his throne at the council of ministers, from seats his well placed mates will have reserved for him.

I am truly of the opinion that not none of the 3 main parties in their present forms are fit to govern our once great country.

 

[Rory]

The budget of 2006 sensibly applied the £400 tax only to cars bought and first registered after the budget.

Thank you - I knew that, and Jasper Blue wrote that he knew it too when he bought the car.