Dieselgate Emissions Scandal

[Braddexttor]

Hi. I am looking to get a fellow Mercedes owners opinion on the diesel emissions cheat scandal which I have discovered today that Mercedes may be involved in.

Some top barrister on YouTube released a video today with his opinion.

I’ve previously owned several Diesel engine Mercs which may be affected. Apparently I could claim thousands in compensation.

What is everyone’s thoughts on this?

Anyone on here put a claim in?

 

[Blobcat]

Hello and welcome

Were you happy with the cars you had? If so what are you wanting to claim for? Are you in any way financially worse off from having those Mercedes?

The top barrister is advertising because the top barrister wants to be paid…

Worth a read of the below thread

Emissions claim? Is it genuine?

I'm being asked to claim against MB because of false emissions data they gave when I purchased my GLC 250d. The lawyers representing claimants work on a no win, no fee basis. Has anyone done this successfully? Is it for real or a scam? What's the small print/risk in making a claim?

forums.mercedesclub.org.uk

 

[mioba]

If you was mis sold a car then fair enough. If you are just leechig for a free payout then, hmmmmm.


Not mercedes specific relevant. its a legal issue.

 

[Snake Charmer]

Welcome to the forum. What Mercedes have you owned?

 

[SmartAmg]

Welcome.

 

[rorywquin]

Looking at the VW one, you might get £1000.

 

[rorywquin]

If you was mis sold a car then fair enough. If you are just leechig for a free payout then, hmmmmm.


Not mercedes specific relevant. its a legal issue.

I don’t agree.

Many people buy cars based on the reputation of a company. Multiple members on this site purchased a MB because it is apparently a “prestige” brand (I don’t believe it is any more prestige that many other brands) only, to find they own a car where the reputation of the brand is tarnished and that the specification of the car is not actually what it was sold as.

Our B-Class has been recalled for an update (related to this emissions issue) and we live 20 miles away from the dealer. We now have the inconvenience of having to get the car to the dealer and back, mileage cost and being without the car for a day and making alternaive transport arrangements. In our case it means my car also doing 2 return trips (80 miles and 3 hours of my time) to collect my wife at the dealer and take her back.

So what has happened is not without impact on owners and IMO, MB should be made to compensate owners for inconvenience etc.

These class actions are good as it keeps big companies honest. If they get away with this what is next?

......and..yes before you ask, my wife put in a claim. There is going to be a cake and if you don’t want a slice of it fine, it will just be bigger for those that do. I don’t need the money but I’m not going to say no to a handout - I’ll go and have nice 3 Michelin Star meal on MB.

 

[ajlsl600]

At very least it should be benz prob to get the car to and from your home.
I personally just don't trust them regards software and won't go near them unless forced too. I fairly confident I will have more issues after, that will shrink my wallet. If the update comes with a warranty that covers any software or hardware connected for a Yr I might feel different and if any update effects any downstream sensors I would want that dealt with under warranty. Emissions kit covered by 10 Yr warranty would kill this issue in 2 yrs as makers are forced to make it reliable. Or lower their profits.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

Conversely if the class action fails there will be costs. I’ve enjoyed owning my EU5 S212 and I’m certainly not prepared to have the emissions software update performed by MB so ethically I couldn’t justify being part of any misselling claim even if I were interested.
As far as any loss of value due to misselling on the vehicle is concerned I bought the car in 2016 for £19k and retail today would be £12k so I’m not unhappy with that relative to the ownership experience I’ve had

 

[rorywquin]

Conversely if the class action fails there will be costs. I’ve enjoyed owning my EU5 S212 and I’m certainly not prepared to have the emissions software update performed by MB so ethically I couldn’t justify being part of any misselling claim even if I were interested.
As far as any loss of value due to misselling on the vehicle is concerned I bought the car in 2016 for £19k and retail today would be £12k so I’m not unhappy with that relative to the ownership experience I’ve had

It is a no win no fee. Much like the VW one. To be honest we are not unhappy with the car either (been faultless for 6 years now) and are stil on the fence about getting the update done. It is due for service in 2 weeks at our Indie and I’ll talk to him about it.

 

[ajlsl600]

Thing is, right now makers have us over a barrel with emissions kit and basically we are screwed until or if they are forced by legislation to make it either more reliable or cheaper to maintain
I believe the state has some responsibility as well. They make the rules and simply pass the buck, allowing makers carte blance so long as the system appears to work, regardless of how unreliable /costly to maintain.

 

[malcolm E53 AMG]

The EU regulators are culpable here car manufacturers warned Brussels that the emission EU3-EU6 targets were unattainable in the timescale allowed which has led to the ridiculous situation EU6 owners find themselves in - in a fair world the car makers should be able to take action against the EU but we all know politicians can’t be wrong don’t we and as they make the rules….

 

[ajlsl600]

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The EU regulators are culpable here car manufacturers warned Brussels that the emission EU3-EU6 targets were unattainable in the timescale allowed which has led to the ridiculous situation EU6 owners find themselves in - in a fair world the car makers should be able to take action against the EU but we all know politicians can’t be wrong don’t we and as they make the rules….

Bout right. But will never get anywhere if just accept all shxxe rolling down the hill.

 

[V6Matty]

Just be aware that the class action against MB US did fail and rejected by the court due to MB not cheeting the software like VW did

 

[Srdl]

It is a no win no fee.

But read the small print and don't forget you are entering into a contract with top legal sharks (sorry, firms). They will have some insurance cover to pay the fees if they lose but nothing is guaranteed.

 

[rf065]

Just be aware that the class action against MB US did fail and rejected by the court due to MB not cheeting the software like VW did

Really, everything I've read points to a cash settlement of USD3290 for each owner in the US, and Canada also has reached agreements on compensation for owners. https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/drive-systems/diesel/lodging-usa-settlement-diesel.html

 

[V6Matty]

Really, everything I've read points to a cash settlement of USD3290 for each owner in the US, and Canada also has reached agreements on compensation for owners. https://group.mercedes-benz.com/innovation/drive-systems/diesel/lodging-usa-settlement-diesel.html

Exactly, there was an agreement, the courts threw the class action out due to the settlement offered, the clauses in the settlement confirmed that they did not have cheat software embedded but in real world use may not match the bench test for emissions correctly, hence the updated software to bring it more inline with the original specification.
Great bit of PR work by MB as they really didn’t need to make a settlement offer but did because they didn’t want to end up like VAG

 

[rf065]

Exactly, there was an agreement, the courts threw the class action out due to the settlement offered, the clauses in the settlement confirmed that they did not have cheat software embedded but in real world use may not match the bench test for emissions correctly, hence the updated software to bring it more inline with the original specification.
Great bit of PR work by MB as they really didn’t need to make a settlement offer but did because they didn’t want to end up like VAG

Cannot see any mention of this anywhere, but lots of info that the courts approved the settlements on July 12th 2021.

 

[V6Matty]

Cannot see any mention of this anywhere, but lots of info that the courts approved the settlements on July 12th 2021.

You won’t see it in those articles, but it is in the court documents, the settlement has to be validated by the court, but that also meant that no class action can be brought against MB US.
Not everything is in the documents released, but put it this way, the company that bought out our class action litigation arm has been severely hit by the costs involved for this case, didn’t bother us too much as it wasn’t making much new revenue anyway

 

[lewyboy]

It comes across like a last hurrah for the diesel compo set.