E320 CDI Magnetic Fuel Conditioners

[colin carnegie]

Hi,

Just thought I would share this with you, as I think ever little bit helps. Some of you may have seen or used / using these things before, they are called Magnetic Fuel Conditioners (MFC’s)
Prior to fitting these MFC’s, I did a five tank “brim to brim” test, recording my fuel receipts against the actual mileage. Fitted these MFC’s to each injector fuel line, did another five tank “brim to brim” test again recording fuel receipts against the actual mileage covered, (all fuel was from supermarkets) Comparing the two tests, I am now get an extra 6% from a tank of fuel. Total cost of the 6 x MFC’s was £300.00, at todays fuel prices, I think thats reasonable.
Also these are very simple to install, no cutting into the fuel line, they simply go around the pipe, and held in place with a ty-wrap. Even if you sell your car, you just remove them and fit them to your new one.
I would show you a picture of how they are fitted, but don’t know how to up load a picture into the threads.


Thanks,
Colin.

 

[whitenemesis]

There is no scientific reason these should work. I believe the difference you observed is due to some other reason(s)

 

[jibcl500]

Read something before about this, theres also a cyclone type thing which is supposed to increase fuel economy.


Pushing the car aslo helps.


jib

 

[Xtractorfan]

I suppose really the tests would have to be controlled, the very thot of having these things fitted may be enough to make you more fuel concious

 

[Parrot of Doom]

They are nothing but snake oil. A waste of money.

 

[philharve]

A scam? Possibly, but ...

Hi All

Many forum members may not have heard of MFCs which are basically permanent magnets that are placed around fluid-carrying pipes, e.g. fuel lines, and are supposed to ionize the fluid thereby bringing about beneficial effects, e.g. improved mileage. Of course, the fluid need not be petrol or diesel. It could be something far more common: water.

MFCs are big business as a search of the Internet will reveal. I have chosen one example (below) which attempts to describe the principle upon which MFCs operate.

http://www.magnet-healing.co.uk/motoflow-fuel-economy.html

Magnetic fields are supposed to aid in healing too.

I keep an open mind about the wider uses of magnetism. A specific example, such as magnetic drain plugs in oil sumps, are effective at removing potentially harmful ferrous material from oil. However, the beneficial effects of magnetic ionization on non-ferrous substances, including fluids and skin & bone tissue, is much less obvious.

What I would say is that GBP300.00+ for 6 small permanent magnets is a high price.

REGARDS

Phil

 

[carabind]

yep, if they sold them for £1 each then I'd be interested. At £50 each, that is a dear place to buy magnets...

 

[FIBAMAN]

At a saving of 6% you will need to buy approximately 4,285 ltrs of fuel to reach the break even point on your "investment", at apptox 7 miles per litre this will represent about 30,000 miles. You could have bought a lot of diesel for that price. Your "investment" would only look attractive if you drive more than 60,000 miles a year. One other point, I looked into these things years ago and the figures didnt add up then, and I also looked again last year in some depth. From my findings you really only need one (if they do work) on the main supply line. I suggest you resite one and flog the rest.

 

[jberks]

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Baloney as usual. If there was really any magic device that could increase fuel efficiency don't you think the manufacturers would have fitted it themselves. Think about the amount they spend getting a fractional increase in efficency in the combustion chambers or injector spray pattern. Do you honestly thik that if they belived a simple magnet would help, they wouldn't fit one? Plus, if you discovered such a concept, would you a) flog your guts out selling to the public, or b) licence the idea to Ford and sit back on your island?.

 

[colin carnegie]

I understand all you views and comments. As I too was sceptical about these MFC’s and if they really work, as you can read so many different reports, both for and against the use of MFC’s. But remembering one golden rule, which is to maintain an open mind, by not dismissing simple things that we don’t always understand. I decided to buy one, to try them for myself.
I fitted the single unit to a 2.6 Vauxhall Carlton Diplomat, using supermarket fuel, with the same usual journeys. I noticed an increase in my tank mileage. I then progressed, to fit these MFC’s to my domestic heating system, marked the thermostat position prior to fitting, a few days later the family was complaining the water was too hot, so I had to turn down the thermostat from its original position. Now getting the same heat for less fuel.

All I can say to you all, I have tried these MFC’s, scientific or not, they work for me.

Thanks,
Colin

 

[jibcl500]

Yes I agree they do work, ive just taken all the speakers out of my wifes SLK and A class, smashed the magnets off the back and gaffa taped them on all the fuel lines on my CL its amazing it now does 1527 MPG.


It really works.

jib

 

[Parrot of Doom]

I'd like anyone to show me a side by side comparison with these devices under laboratory conditions.

Some people seem to be suggesting they have bought over-unity gain devices. Perpetual motion.

Look at this quote from the website above:

The process of conditioning fuel through the introduction of a specific magnetic field is known as lonisation by Magnetic Induction (IMI). Although IMI applied in this way remains beyond the understanding and acceptance of modern science, the results of laboratory testing on petrol and diesel engines fitted with MotoflowT confirm the very positive benefits of financial savings, improved performance and reduced pollutants being enjoyed by users world wide.

What they're saying is that modern science doesn't understand why their devices work. What modern science is saying is that their devices do not work.

Anyone who sees an improvement either has subconsciously changed the manner of their driving, has unknowingly repaired a fault that existed before installation, or is not telling the truth.

These companies will never go for serious scientific testing. Why would they? Their business is doing well enough, most people will try them, find they don't work, and put it down to experience.

 

[hmang]

hey jibcl500

let's have a "how to" on your mod...it sounds fantastic!!

 

[jberks]

I then progressed, to fit these MFC’s to my domestic heating system, marked the thermostat position prior to fitting, a few days later the family was complaining the water was too hot, so I had to turn down the thermostat from its original position. Now getting the same heat for less fuel.

All I can say to you all, I have tried these MFC’s, scientific or not, they work for me.

Thanks,
Colin

OK Colin, You added the magnets and the water became too hot so you had to turn down your thermostat. How exactly?. Even if I were to believe that the magnets made the gas burn hotter which I don't - (and I have a Batchelor of SCIENCE degree - do you?), this would not have any effect on overall temperature as temperature is controlled not by the efficiency of the boiler or the temperature generated by the gas burn, but by the settings on the theromostat which haven't changed. Once the pre-set temp is reached, the boiler turns off. It may happen quicker and if you'd said this your explanation may have had some credibility.

The fuel savings you quote for example. I get this difference randomly on a daily basis. I went to Newcastle and got 38mpg. On the way back I got 43 - go figure but the percentages were even greater than you claim. No nothing to do with magnets, etha, fuel quality or any other myth. just driving style and road conditions.

I'll believe this technology when any of the manufacturers take it seriously. They have the most to gain from it. after all, just the reduced CO2 levels would help get the EU off their backs. Do you honestly think that a firm with £1,000,000 annual research budget wouldn't have looked at, and rejected it a very log time ago?

I'm going easy on you as, despite my stong suspicion that you've come on here with the express intention of conning some of our members with useless 50p magnets for £50, I have no proof, but this is bunkum and if you don't know it, you should.

 

[s999sws]

Snake oil.

 

[FIBAMAN]

If your thermostat is working correctly then how can the water get hotter?
If the set point remains the same then the water temperature will be controlled at that temperaure. The only way to gauge if the gas is burning hotter is to measure your gas consumption. If the gas burns hotter then it will not take so much time to raise the water temperature to the set point of your thermostat. You could time the period of flame on and compare with the time on without magnets, but you must ensure that your weather conditions are identical at the time of both trials. The only financial benefit is for the guy who sold you this.
ps they sell other high price gimmicks as well

 

[whitenemesis]

A fool and his money are easily separated

 

[colin carnegie]

To all,

Some of you gentlemen are getting on the right train of thinking, as to how these MFC’s actually work on the gas boilers, (Gas burns hotter, burn cycle shorter, system temperature reached quicker) very good on you, top marks all round.
There are others with opinionated comments of trying to “con” other forum members. Strictly not the case, but everybody is entitled to his or her own option.
The question on Batchelor of Science degree. No I do not have a Batchelor’s degree in science.

To date there are nine senior members replied: WHITENEMESIS, JIBCL500, XTRACTORFAN, PARROT OF DOOM, PHILHARVE, CARABIND, FIBAMAN, JBERKS, HMANG.
I put this to you all: If you all live in the UK, and would like to test a Gas MFC for yourself. There is a very simple non-scientific gas test / demonstration that you can perform for yourself, this test / demonstration will hopefully help clear up any scepticism of the use of these MFC’s.

If you are up for this test / self-demonstration, you will need to supply the long neck gas lighter. I will arrange to supply each of you, with 1 x MFC for Gas, for a trial period of 14 days, the only condition I must stipulate to you, is you return the MFC after the 14 day trial, undamaged in a pre supplied, pre paid envelop.

After you complete this test, let me know your findings.

If you are interested in this self test, and live in the UK, just send me your full name, postal address and e-mail address.


Thanks,
Colin.

 

[maddog]

They work so well most of the manufacturers already have them fitted as standard .....oh wait no they dont

 

[Parrot of Doom]

Why not just tell us what the test involves?

With a sales pitch like that, you should go and work for Steorn.