Fair Deal For Drivers

[Splatt]

The Daily Telegraph has today launched a nationwide campaign and petition for a fairer deal for motorists, if the infamy of the Governments taxes on us moves you at all why not go to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/05/07/do0710.xml to read and sign it ?

 

[jberks]

and so I have.
It seems a tad popular - in fact you could say its a bit more popular than our esteemed government ....

 

[PaulMdx]

It's not so much a petition as a whole load of comments on an article, but I signed it anyhow.

 

[Xtractorfan]

Yes everyone should make their voices heard..reading some of the comments from ppl who need and cant afford cars is a disgrace in this day and age

 

[shadowninja]

It is a disgrace but the government tend to ignore petitions. If you can take Gordon Brown and his mates out for a slap-up meal, you will get their attention. (Usually works if you, say, run BAA.)

 

[JEZ.S320L]

It is a disgrace but the government tend to ignore petitions. If you can take Gordon Brown and his mates out for a slap-up meal, you will get their attention. (Usually works if you, say, run BAA.)

................ or if you 'sign-off' their so-called 'expenses'

 

[The German Flower Pot]

what do we expect from any petition

even if they (and they won't) say 10p off a litre that will make bugger all difference as at this rate its going to go back up in under 6 months

or ask the government to permenatly lower the vat on fuel

look at the price of oil which our government has no real controll over

this time 2 years ago it was $70 a barrel

today its almost $120

thats an increase of 75% in 2 years



look at this graph and it shows how much tax they make on fuel

and this one the price of petrol

so all im saying is that the people who are responsible for the price hike is the people of OPEC (oil producing exporting countries)

then after that its the government who can not afford to cut the tax by anything other than a few pence

and as neither are going to do anything even close to helping us out the whole thing is pointless

im not saying all give up and bend over and take it while everyone but us gets rich im saying realistically there is **** all we can do

its just going to get worse and worse

 

[chewye16]

but during 98-00 when there were makin 80/85% (if im reading the graph right) shouldnt that money be put into a kind of fund, incase something like this happens, i know its probably not the best idea in the world, but if i can think of something like that in less than 5 mins cant the goverment think of something? i mean they are running the country?!?

 

[grpar]

but during 98-00 when there were makin 80/85% (if im reading the graph right) shouldnt that money be put into a kind of fund, incase something like this happens, i know its probably not the best idea in the world, but if i can think of something like that in less than 5 mins cant the goverment think of something? i mean they are running the country?!?

Chewye16, Governments are generally tasked with running the country. Not running a George Soros style fund to hedge against the future value of a GLOBALLY traded commodity.

Thank goodness German Flower Pot introduced a dose of facts into the debate. That said, with increasing prices driving increasing taxation receipts through the roof you would have thought this was Gordon's prime opportunity to recover some lost momentum with an announcement about a temporary cut (over say 18 months initially) in fuel duties.

So why does he not do it .... ?

Whilst there is little prospect of the price of crude is going anywhere back towards where it was 12 months ago, until the GLOBAL wholesale fuel market recovers a sense of perspective on where this is all heading, all bets are off on making any immediate changes to taxation structure. All rather analogous to the credit crunch on the wholesale money markets, except this one in wholesale fuel markets affects governments, not just public-registered companies.

So there's no point whatsoever in whingeing about Gordon et al. There's genuinely nowt they can do about it .....

 

[The German Flower Pot]

wise words

brown knows he is out at the next election if not sooner (not exactly spoilt for choice on the labour bench are they) and with the cyclical labour, conservative in out in out system its now ABL (anyone but labour) so he has 2 years left (ish) and then they are gone so his number 1 priority is feathering his nest and hoping to jump on the usa lectures system and get a cushy envoy job ala blair

brown will never be loved by the people as he was given the job and not elected to the job

anyway if the truth be known neither brown, bush nor any others run the world, corporate bussines & the NWO run this planet and they want all our money & our souls and our freedom

 

[johnmc]

Hi,
Good thread! The fuel tax escalator was put in place by the Tories to "force a move to cleaner cars". In reality it was because they had pledged cut income tax, and had to get the cash elsewhere, usual con job. If that was a true policy then surely the fuel tax can be cut to zero now given the price of fuel?

How about the government does something for us for a change, and nationalises the north sea oil? Let's keep it for us, no more exports. Ooops, they would lose gazillions in tax there too.

John

 

[jibcl500]

Just put my 2p worth forward on the telgraph web site, told them Gordon should own up to his gayness otherwise nI would go to the sun telling them I was his university bitch.

dont think it will go live though. Gordon should resign because when he speaks his jaw does something odd.

Still think hes bent though.

jib

 

[The German Flower Pot]

that jaw thing is actually a medical condition

stiff

**** the scotish money grabing dour faced weasle & he is now gay

 

[jibcl500]

that jaw thing is actually a medical condition

stiff

**** the scotish money grabing dour faced weasle & he is now gay

Tw@ts disease..

jib

 

[The German Flower Pot]

yup thats the one

 

[Splatt]

I understand Brown is taking lessons in how to win friends and gain populaity from Tony Blair ( remember him ? )

 

[Splatt]

that jaw thing is actually a medical condition

I think "Gordon Brown" is a medical condition , it used to be called mechanized dandruff in the Army

 

[PaulMdx]

I understand Brown is taking lessons in how to win friends and gain populaity from Tony Blair ( remember him ? )

Yes, Gordon now knows how to win the next election.

The thing that surprises me is that Tony Blair apparently knows how to perform miracles.

 

[shadowninja]

http://www.bettertransport.org.uk/system/files/petrol_price_tax_large.jpg

So in the last 8 years, the tax on fuel has been falling? Or is this not what it means?

I don't recall any fuel tax cuts in the budget in the last few years.

 

[PaulMdx]

So in the last 8 years, the tax on fuel has been falling? Or is this not what it means?

It means tax increases have been going up slower than petrol itself has. (Edit: except the last little peak between 06 and 07.)

In 2006 65% of the price you paid at the pump was tax, 35% was the actual cost of the fuel. => If you fill up with £10, £6.50 went to the govt, £3.50 went to the fuel provider.

In 2007 67% of the price you paid at the pump was tax, 33% was the actual cost of the fuel. => If you fill up with £10, £6.70 went to govt, £3.30 went to fuel the provider.