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My Vito 110's dual mass flywheel's about to disintegrate, and, considering what I've learned about them for light/commercial vehicles, I've decided to try and get a solid mass flywheel... However, I'm having a little trouble getting prices.
Anyone know where I can find these online?
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Hello and welcome. cant help much on this,,other than a google search or from trade motor factors
 
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Thank you :)
I spent several hours searching today, that's how I managed to learn what little I know about the respective parts.
I had trouble finding sources for the solid/single mass flywheels and emailed inquiries to a couple of places, guess its a watch this space moment :(
Will look up the gearbox removal and flywheel fitting guide too, if its simple enough, I'll do it myself
 

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Thank you :)
I spent several hours searching today, that's how I managed to learn what little I know about the respective parts.
I had trouble finding sources for the solid/single mass flywheels and emailed inquiries to a couple of places, guess its a watch this space moment :(
Will look up the gearbox removal and flywheel fitting guide too, if its simple enough, I'll do it myself

With the first 6 VIN numbers I may be able to give you the instructions for some of this work
 
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that the engine number or the chassis number? (can't find the engine number, its hidden either on the back of the engine, or under loads of plastic, pipes etc)
 

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The engine number will be on the dvla docs.

I would be careful ref the solid flywheel do a google for marmonic balancer.

Iirc kit for transit included a new damper as the forces changed and the crank could go tits up.



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Wise words Lynall

It's resonant torsional vibration which snaps crankshafts, and changing the flywheel will change the resonance frequency of the crank + flywheel + harmonic balancer assembly, rendering the tuning of the harmonic balancer incorrect - which means that the device which prevents resonant vibrations building will no longer work, and your crank will suffer larger vibrations than it was designed for.

You may get away with it, but I don't think you'll find anyone who'll guarantee it or give you a warranty.
 
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in other words, replace the DMF with a new one, rather than a SMF?
We-ell, considering the prices, I may have to go for DMF regardless of my desire to go for something more resilient, the SMF kit prices are at least £100 greater, and money's in short supply right now
 
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Television, the reg document shows the first six numbers as 611980...
but I just noticed something odd; the doc shows the van as petrol, but its a Diesel...
Weird, looks like I'm gonna have to try and find it on the block and re-register it
 
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in other words, replace the DMF with a new one, rather than a SMF?
We-ell, considering the prices, I may have to go for DMF regardless of my desire to go for something more resilient, the SMF kit prices are at least £100 greater, and money's in short supply right now

I stand corrected, the price of DMF and clutch kit works out to approx £500, the smf kit works out to approx £400 all inclusive...
I'll have to do some research as advised and see if it'll cope...
 

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the height of a clutch and dual mass flywheel will be greater than a clutch and solid flywheel,the release bearing would have to travel further to meet the clutch cover on a solid flywheel.personally i would stick with original,how many miles has the old flywheel covered over 100k?its not likely to need doing again i wouldnt have thought
 
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I only bought the van (on auction) a couple of months ago, it had 158k on the clock then and I've tipped it over 162k already (not much to some, but seems a lot to me). There were only a two small niggles (air con needs refilling, and the servo mechs on the elec mirrors need replacing, but they're bearable).
Unfortunately, due to my purchasing it through the auctions, I have little information on what parts were replaced...

I do drive a lot and plan on using her as a camper when I go on holiday, so I know I'll be clocking up the miles...
Another option, one I'm not fond of, but it would get me out of trouble, would be a second hand flywheel, give her a few more k while I save for the full, new replacement... but is this actually a worth while option?
 
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update:

I spoke to a few people including a couple of mechanics who specialise in gearbox and performance.
They both said the van's shaft and box can easily withstand the additional vibration caused by fitting a SMF, which is a good start.
I know the following's a little repetitive, but; Malcom went into further detail and explained the SMF conversion kits were made to cut out the problems of a DMF totally. I related your concerns about the additional vibration caused by losing the dampening effect a DMF has, and he said it'll be fine and all I need is the conversion kit (comes with solid flywheel, new clutch plate, pressure plate and release bearing).
What they told me and my previous research showed several SMF kits for various makes and models, so it seems they they work (for some models at least), but as you advised earlier, its always a good idea to check and see if you need anything else, just in case...
watch this space :)
 

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Who makes the kits? What warranty do they provide?

While my experience is old, I do know some makes of vans of this type had cranks which snapped like carrots - those equipped with the so-called Sofim engine are uppermost in my mind.

If your van is important for your business, forget warm words, and concentrate on what warranty is offered.
 
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Who makes the kits? What warranty do they provide?

While my experience is old, I do know some makes of vans of this type had cranks which snapped like carrots - those equipped with the so-called Sofim engine are uppermost in my mind.

If your van is important for your business, forget warm words, and concentrate on what warranty is offered.

I'll do that, thanks!
 

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That engine number that you put up was the engine number, and that is for a diesel 611 engine
 
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Things are gettin a bit pricey...

Managed to get the van to the garage, but, it was too late.
The worn flywheel was totally out of balance and smashed the bearings in the gearbox, which in turn, smashed the bearings in the differential.
Time for a replacement gearbox... the mechanic managed to find a second hand box (with about 75k miles and a three year warranty) for less than half the price it'd cost to rebuild the old one, so he'll be fitting that and the new flywheel kit as soon as the box arrives.
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Finally got the van back, the flywheel kit, gearbox and fitting, cost about a grand in the end, which could have been a heck of a lot worse if either the flywheel, gearbox or diff failed worse than they had.
After some extensive research, (following your advice), I went for the solid mass flywheel kit.
The kit came from valeo with a years warranty and even they recommended the smf style over the dmf, which they also had on supply.
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Finally got the van back, the flywheel kit, gearbox and fitting, cost about a grand in the end, which could have been a heck of a lot worse if either the flywheel, gearbox or diff failed worse than they had.
After some extensive research, (following your advice), I went for the solid mass flywheel kit.
The kit came from valeo with a years warranty and even they recommended the smf style over the dmf, which they also had on supply.
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