Glowplug supplier (cheap!)

[Hibbo]

Can anyone point me to somewhere that can provide me with a bargain set of Bosch Duraterms for my E300? (part no 0 250 201 035)

I got a set of them for my w123 from a company called HelpToday - 5 genuine duraterms for about 23quid delivered - but they don't stock the ones for the om606.

PS. I am not a cheapskate, I prefer to think of myself as 'efficient with my money'

 

[Flying Scot]

BERU n/a 438220060 GLOW PLUG GN860 M604-605-606 202 C220D 124 E250D/EST E300D/EST
UPTO 20/020474 22/009167 £7.35

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecommerce/Search_Results.asp

CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

 

[Hibbo]

BERU n/a 438220060 GLOW PLUG GN860 M604-605-606 202 C220D 124 E250D/EST E300D/EST
UPTO 20/020474 22/009167 £7.35

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecommerce/Search_Results.asp

CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

I saw them on ECP, but that's not quite my idea of cheap!

 

[Flying Scot]

I saw them on ECP, but that's not quite my idea of cheap!

ho hum you want them for nuffin.

dont know if you will need this BUT it might help another

http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/OM606962GlowPlug

did you see the SVO heater with two glowplugs and a thermo switch and water heating for once the engine was warm looked like a cool piece of kit

 

[Hibbo]

ho hum you want them for nuffin.

dont know if you will need this BUT it might help another

http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/OM606962GlowPlug

did you see the SVO heater with two glowplugs and a thermo switch and water heating for once the engine was warm looked like a cool piece of kit

Nuffin would be good, but the £3.75 each I paid for the ones for my w123 would be nice

I think the glowplug SVO heaters are pointless, as even if you could instantly heat the fuel up it is going into huge lumps of freezing cold metal. Won't stay hot for long!

 

[Flying Scot]

so your saying a single tank solution wont work? OOOPS just Hi Jack ed this thread

 

[Hibbo]

so your saying a single tank solution wont work? OOOPS just Hi Jack ed this thread

Nicely hijacked!

Nope, my opinion is:

An engine that can start from sub-zero on SVO such as one that has had an Elsbet single tank conversion, with special injector nozzles and bigger glowplugs, and most importantly an IP that can cope with thick veggy, WILL NOT BENEFIT FROM A GLOWPLUG HEATER.

On an engine that can't start easily from cold on SVO, one of these heaters WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL. The heated fuel will almost instantly cool down when it enters the (stone cold) IP.

The main issue with cold starts is NOT the temp of the fuel entering the IP it's the temp of the cylinders, prechambers (if IDi) injectors and thus fuel at the injectors.

Even if you were in the unusual situation of having an engine that would start from cold on SVO but an IP that couldn't handle it (not sure how you'd arrive at that point ) - this still wouldn't help that much as there'd still be cold veg in the IP and lines.

For a proper single tank effort, check this out http://www.dajolka.dk/rapsbil/xantia_cold_start_at_minus_10C.WMV

 

[Hibbo]

Infact maybe I was a little harsh there.
Maybe one of these would help a bit on a single tanker as it will begin reducing the viscosity of the veg before the coolant is up to temp.

What I meant was that it is not a quick and easy way to avoid twin-tanking - it will not make a jot of difference if your (unconverted) engine doesn't like cold SVO starts.

PS. I don't think they've got anywhere near in internal surface area to transfer much heat between the coolant and fuel.

 

[Flying Scot]

Infact maybe I was a little harsh there.
Maybe one of these would help a bit on a single tanker as it will begin reducing the viscosity of the veg before the coolant is up to temp.

What I meant was that it is not a quick and easy way to avoid twin-tanking - it will not make a jot of difference if your (unconverted) engine doesn't like cold SVO starts.

PS. I don't think they've got anywhere near in internal surface area to transfer much heat between the coolant and fuel.

i do get your drift but i think its a good add on (thinking of a DIY one of course) BUT if you agree that getting the viscosity down is a good thing which i am sure you do - i think for a nice and simple add-on this must have a place. Not 100% convinced that better(hotter) glow plugs and a modified injector is the way to go though it does seem to be a well used way on the continent - also since you do agree i hope that a hot IP will help by reducing the viscosity of VO then hot VO must help to heat the IP when it is 'cold' so its circular - and while we dont want to start wrapping IP's in electrically heated jackets i think this glow plug/water VO heater is a good starting point - that and wrapping your filter in a copper heating coil should make running straight SVO/WVO a little easier i think - though i have to say using 40/60 D/VO now things could not be easier or smoother - soon going to try 20/80 - how is your twin tank solution doing?

NICE VID BTW

 

[Hibbo]

Got most of the bits (pump and heat exchanger are on their way as we speak - long live electronicbay!) just need a small fuel tank and somewhere to put it!

What I was trying to say was those electric heaters are not a simple instant single-tank solution, far from it.

The best way to sort it out would be to buy one (so that rules me out! ) and do some temp measurements with and without it switched on. For example monitor the case temp of the IP and the temp of the fuel returning from the IP. I think you may see some increase in temp (or rather less time to get up to temp) on the return line if you use a looped return looping back through the heat exchanger. I do think that two glowplugs wouldn't stand much chance in warming up a large chunk of IP though.

So I suppose my opinion is: They will not make ANY difference to cold start performance, but they may help to bring the IP up to temp quicker. (This could probably be handy if you're twin-tanking a Lucas IPed car - send the Derv through the heater too)

Only one way to find out though!