Has in car digital technology gone too far ?

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Just finished watching a review of the new Range rover Velar, it has 3 screens which control virtually every function on the car, I can see how this is attractive to a certain type of car buyer but I can’t help wondering what happens when the screen or screens freeze or just start to play up like every smart phone I have ever owned has , I doubt that any of the tech on these cars will be supported in the same way as smart phones with regard to updates etc, surely once they are out of warranty they are going to be virtually worthless as most potential buyers will be terrified of what might go wrong, why anyone would pay £60k for a car that has retractable door handles and a gear knob that has to rise from the centre console before a gear can be selected is baffling to me, then again maybe I’m just getting old…
 

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Just finished watching a review of the new Range rover Velar, it has 3 screens which control virtually every function on the car, I can see how this is attractive to a certain type of car buyer but I can’t help wondering what happens when the screen or screens freeze or just start to play up like every smart phone I have ever owned has , I doubt that any of the tech on these cars will be supported in the same way as smart phones with regard to updates etc, surely once they are out of warranty they are going to be virtually worthless as most potential buyers will be terrified of what might go wrong, why anyone would pay £60k for a car that has retractable door handles and a gear knob that has to rise from the centre console before a gear can be selected is baffling to me, then again maybe I’m just getting old…
Because it's well cool innit.
 
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Haha, yeah really cool till it twangs out :rolleyes:
 

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Heard of an instance a while ago where the electronics in a fairly new Disco developed a problem which drained the battery overnight so they couldn't even get into the car. The problem was that it was in a remote area of Oz, no mobile phone coverage but they did have a sat phone, and "roadside assistance" took 3 days to get to them! Fortunately they had water and food, but it could have been very awkward for them.
 

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My brother laughs when this kind of discussion comes up.
He has several nice modern cars to suit his daily driving moods.

One oddity in his fleet is an immaculate Vauxhall Chevette (very old crumblies on here might remember!). No road tax or mot needed due to its age (the car's), and it just starts and goes - always. Never a glitch. He chuckles when I pull out my fancy OBD plug-in. For high tech he carries a mobile.
And an air of superior confidence.
 

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Yesterday we took delivery of a brand new BMW 118i courtesy car , as someone bumped into the wifes Juke a few days ago.

Full digital dash , four driving modes , keyless , more apps on the screen than i have on my phone and probably more tech that i haven`t discovered yet.

All of the above tech on a base rental car , so it seems now-a-days its tech for tech sake in some cases.

FWIW , the dash does look really sharp.

Kenny
 

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Just finished watching a review of the new Range rover Velar, it has 3 screens which control virtually every function on the car, I can see how this is attractive to a certain type of car buyer but I can’t help wondering what happens when the screen or screens freeze or just start to play up like every smart phone I have ever owned has , I doubt that any of the tech on these cars will be supported in the same way as smart phones with regard to updates etc, surely once they are out of warranty they are going to be virtually worthless as most potential buyers will be terrified of what might go wrong, why anyone would pay £60k for a car that has retractable door handles and a gear knob that has to rise from the centre console before a gear can be selected is baffling to me, then again maybe I’m just getting old…
Yep i'm getting old too. In my Zafira I can reach out briefly and switch anything on or off without taking my eyes off the road. Surely it's a safety issue when you have to scroll through screens to activate something whilst driving. Our CL is something of a compromise in that its still got loads of switches but a new E63 say would be a nightmare for me.
 

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Yep i'm getting old too. In my Zafira I can reach out briefly and switch anything on or off without taking my eyes off the road. Surely it's a safety issue when you have to scroll through screens to activate something whilst driving. Our CL is something of a compromise in that its still got loads of switches but a new E63 say would be a nightmare for me.
Totally agree.
A switch is something you can feel for blind if you need to, its always in the same place, it doesn't magically change function and has a useful tactile feedback. Oh, and it doesn't light up the interior of the car.
 

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The other thing I wonder about is what percentage of the electrickery is used by the average owner. The CL owners manual is 400+ pages long. Life's a bit short to spend hours reading it. I long for the days when the only things you needed to know was where the choke , the light switch, and the radio on off was.:) Jeez I'm old...
 

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Radio? Oh yes - kinda like a music centre with no individual choice, huh?
Choke? Oh yes - handbag hanger.
Light switch? There you've got me - I thought lights were automatic thingies that come on when it gets dark.
 

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The other thing I wonder about is what percentage of the electrickery is used by the average owner. The CL owners manual is 400+ pages long. Life's a bit short to spend hours reading it. I long for the days when the only things you needed to know was where the choke , the light switch, and the radio on off was.:) Jeez I'm old...
You had a radio??
 

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but a new E63 say would be a nightmare for me.

It is for me as well. Whoever thought it logical to place two touch pads on the steering wheel has obviously never driven in traffic. Just so frustrating that you get to where you want to be in the menus, then slip as you're steering and end up in a completely different one. I've eventually found short cuts, long cuts actually, to most of the stuff I use but would still like a proper switch which just clicks. Oh, and I still can't work the navigation system properly...

Think I'll have an hour in my little 190E now and click a few switches. :)
 

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I spent many years designing Human-Machine-Interfaces for airborne Electronics.

Basically, they have to be used in the dead of night, (also in Nuclear or Biological gloves) high vibration and high G environment, so need a positive "click" to let you feel that you've actually pressed something. Flying a helicopter at 150mph, low enough to go under power cables, is not the time to be scrolling through menus of a touch screen...

ANY kind of control which needs your eyes off the road to operate it has no place in a car.

I'm staggered the safety nannies that control our lives these days allow it...
 

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I imagine like 99% of modern technology all these features will be used once and then forgotten about. I also wonder what will happen when these cars are 20 years old and at the bottom end of the market.
 
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