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I is fuming

Discussion in 'Motoring Related Discussion' started by M80, Oct 25, 2012.

  1. M80

    M80 Senior Member

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    Our little girlie say down for food and burst into tears, after a good few minutes Her story came out.

    She has been working at a Solicitors for a couple of months on PPI claims. She left RBS doing the same thing but employed through an agency, so as She has a law degree was happy to be at a Solicitors and with the promise of better job security.

    After lunch today an email was sent out requesting the person who owns her registration to declare themselves, She did. Apparently yesterday evening two witnesses saw a car bearing the first two letters of her reg brush a parked car going round a corner, and then drive away slowly. With witness info the owner of brushed car approached the Solicitors to complain. Today persons unknown have gone out found her parked car with scratches offside rear and assumed it's a match as culprit.

    She is too naive to lie (although I'm very biased please believe this), She had no idea that any contact had been made. Looking at and listening to the evidence it is most likely She has bumped the other car though.
    What I find annoying is that She has been told to "sort it" the Company are concerned of their reputation and don't want a hit and run culprit damaging said reputation. They have assumed guilt in action and intent. And I don't see they have cause to become involved. I would consider that they 'might' take the owners details and email to all to say what is known and not assumed, suggesting the person make contact.

    Having heard the stories of staff treatment at the company we are expecting her probationary period to be ending shortly so the poor lass is already back to job hunting in anticipation.

    Meanwhile, as She could be taken for a mug so easily, I have attempted contact, no answer so have texted my details. If the guy has been wronged it's correct to right it we're just hoping to avoid insurance.
    Would She be viewed as leaving the scene, and liable for prosecution ? We wouldn't know if a report has been made yet.
     
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    I think she can only be viewed as leaving the scene IF the other party reported the incident to the police, but please don't quote me.

    Hope all goe's well for her:)
     
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    Sorry to hear that Martin I'm sure it will all work out fine in the end though. On another note has your Daughter taken her C.V. round the local solicitors and asking for a job, They may not be advertising but she might be lucky enough to get something out of it, and hey it never hurts to get your face known.
     
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    I dont know but i would hope that the "leaving the scene" implications would not apply to such a minor incident. The other car was parked and I assume had no occupants. so really no harm done apart from the car. If there was to be a argument regarding did she actually do it and the witnesses were asked to confirm she did then there could possibly be reason for the police to get involved. Before all that happens though, common sense should prevail and the other person would be silly not to accept the damage put right.Hope she doesnt get too upset about it.
     
  5. brandwooddixon

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    When these witnesses reported the incident did they give a description of the car as well?
    It's a difficult situation as there are scams aplenty in this area.
    I've heard of a fleet manager who had to sort out a similar "claim".
    Supposedly one of his vans had reversed into a car badly damaging it. A full description was given of the vehicle.
    Unbeknown to the "claimants" the damage to the van had actually been caused by one of the company's forklifts. The van was still in use whilst awaiting repairs and had obviously been spotted whilst making a delivery.
    When told this and invited to report the matter to the police, the "claimants" backed down.
    Sadly it doesn't look as if you have much choice but to cover the cost of the repair, but I would ensure that it is reported to the police first.
    First two letters of the car registration is pretty circumstancial evidence at best.
     
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    We once had much the same claim, that a truck of ours had scraped along the full length of a car, leaving damage and also removing the wing mirror etc.
    I examined the truck, found nothing and noticed that the body of the truck would be a lot higher than the height of the supposed damage.

    I asked to see and inspect the damaged car as I pointed out that there would have to be matching paint somewhere - claim was dropped immediately. What they also did not know is that the tracking system on our truck showed it 45km away at the exact time the witness claimed we hit the car!!

    Ask to inspect the other car, which you are entitled to. stating that you are looking to compare the respective heights of the alleged damage - they have to match for it to have happened and also to collect paint samples.

    Regards
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    I WAS fuming, I've calmed down now.
     
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    M80

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    I had considered the same.
    The scratches on the Lady's car are where I would expect a Yaris bumper to be and I wouldn't expect that to scratch.
    In reality unless this is a conspiracy it seems most likely She has made contact and just didn't know, new driver, inexperience, lessons to learn....
    I do have interest to meet the chap and assess his 'style' though.
    There is no response from the chap yet but as [STRIKE]I'm[/STRIKE] I is going over to MB soon anyway, and this is close by, I intend to look for the Yaris. Maybe Tcut will do the job ??
     
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    An interesting read...seen a number of threads on here where people have reported "came back to my car and this xxxx had scraped my bumper and not left a note" and then a following plethora of comments follow basically stating the low life is scum and has no respect for property and advocating violence towards the person if caught.

    So good to hear the other side and as we all know mistakes do happen. Here we all deliberately and unashamedly bump park (..yes everyone does it, it is the norm, its not illegal and you don't park a car on the street if you don't accept that before anyone criticises) and from experience whilst deep scratching/scraping is very audible, it is possible to stop the car on a bumper or create a very light scratch in complete silence and without noticing.

    Anyway, back to this case I can't see anything coming of it. If the damage is fixed and liability accepted, either with or without insurance then there is no reason for the party or firm to pursue it...unless they wanted to sack her anyway and use this as an excuse but then it wouldn't be viable to work for such a firm long term,. Despite a worrying creep of the litigation, sue me society you'd be surprised how many people cannot be bothered, certainly once they have what they want...sort of ironic that the firm in question makes its money from litigation...
     
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    Take photos of her car, if there was any contact then there should be paint transfer
     
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    Sorry to hear about your daughter getting so upset about this. Honestly I would be upset too, from what you say she had no idea she had possibly scraped this car so not her fault that she didn't report it surely :confused:
     
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    That's my hope, that you can't report what you are not aware to report, and that ignorance being no excuse applies to the law not the event.

    I'm sure She is upset about possibly damaging cars, her first bump. What I find more annoying is the attitude of a jumped up McDonalds type school leaver manager. The "get it sorted" or else threat is too much. It isn't the business of the company it is a private civil matter. Said manager goes to pub with workmates and shares a spliff, hardly someone to take the moral high ground.

    Her mo mo is an 02 206, small mileage at 46k but with scrapes and bashes already included at purchase. An ideal first car for making those initial mistakes.

    But all that is of no relevance to the liability to right the loss to the other car owner. I've been down and w/o reg have found 3 Yaris, all with relevant scrape damage. This is far from conclusive yet but all also have mis matched paint touch up on the scrapes. Aside from damage above rear bumper on one but central not wing, pretty difficult to get that going round a corner. What I would like now is for Chap to get in touch with his registration. If He is wronged there should be an apology and more, and that might well be more simple than the alternative.
     
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    Can someone explain how you can "brush a parked car" with your offside rear while going round a corner without being totally on the wrong side of the road ? First thing to do is reassure your daughter and tell her these things happen but as an adult she will have to learn to accept her responsibilities but at the same time not be a walkover for the unscrupulous. Second she has to go to her work line manager and tell them she is naturally concerned at the allegation that has been made about her but before "fessing up" she needs to know the following The name and address of the complainant, their car insurance details, and an explanation of exactly where when and how the accident happened and whether a complaint has been made to the police. All smells a bit fishy to me.
     
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    However it turns out for your daughter, a valuable lesson in many ways.
    I don't believe in this compensation culture and I think all who do and work within it are as bad as bad can be. If your daughter has a degree in law I'm sure having this experience will serve a good lesson to her of the pain and anguish caused by those that choose to profit from others misfortune, and soon find a more worthy use of her education.
     
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    If the claim is legit then the car owner should have no problem with supplying his full details, home address, insurance, police crime number etc. You can then check them out.
    If it turns out that he is unwilling to provide that information then it's scam.

    As for your daughters boss, he sounds like a complete p*****k.
    Lawyers are experts at confuscation, evasion and misdirection.
    I bet his response in a similar situation wouldn't be "oh no think of our reputation" it would be "only two numbers of the reg plate? any hard evidence? go take a walk."

    If I was your daughter I'd already be thinking of somewhere else to work.
     
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    A little clarification.
    The Solicitors have a subsidiary (as I understand it) this being for PPI. At interview there were strong suggestions of support toward personal development, an example of another employee enjoying similar was used. That employee works for the Solicitor company.
    The development here seems to be "you only made 38 calls today", no consideration of time on calls or letters written.
    Requirement to work extra Saturdays, jumped up 'line' (as in production line) manager telling a girl She had no right drinking the night before as She was unwell and pale (not alcohol related). You might be getting some idea now although I believe these work situations are becoming more commonplace.

    The Personnel manager(ess) put out the email looking for the reg owner. At Police style interview I believe it was the line manager(ess) that demonstrated her ill placed superiority (of position).

    There is a no win situation here for my Daughter.
    An insurance claim will cause a leap in the premium next year, but insurance is there for a purpose.
    Pay a settlement, may be preferable but is dosh from the pocket.
    Challenge the claim win or lose the 'company' may not like what they see.
    I get involved and share some of my opinions, if done diplomatically there would be embarrassment or denial, no win. Besides is that really my place, She is an adult ?
     
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    A firm of solicitors involved in PPI work concerned about their reputation- that's the funniest thing I've heard today. :rolleyes: Tell your daughter to treat it with the derision it deserves.

    ps ;_ got the other car's insurance details yet?
     
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    Don't know if this helps but.... My parents had a knock at the door a couple of weeks ago. Someone claiming he had two witnesses and they had reversed into his car. He even claimed to have a photo. Not realising I was in the living room he continued to the point of asking for money. At this point I made myself visible. He seemed to change tone but carried on. My response was to ask If he had informed the police and insurance. He walked off!!! My dad worried phoned the police who had no knowledge of any incident and told my parents who are in their 70's to phone them if he returned. If they wont give you their details its a scam. Oh and as for the boss. Some solicitor sort it without any real evidence. Remind me never to use his firm.
     
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    I have had a text response yesterday evening (Sunday) asking for contact details. As he has made contact and also has my email he has 'contact' details but I assume he wants an address. He hasn't as yet asked for insurance details.
    So far it isn't certain the little lady has been involved in a collision so I am reluctant to give more info until that's established, as best we can at least.
    An address and insurance should be provided when asked for when in a collision but here I'm less sure, any thoughts ?
     

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