Ice cars to be banned from 2030

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Misleading thread title.
Sales of ICE cars to be banned.

Nothing new - it was announced last year iirc.
 

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Thankfully only applies to new cars, I have no intention of parting with my S204 C220, or possibly also the R171 SLK280 - always assuming I last until 2030!!
 

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There was another story about wanting to fit homes with new smart meters that will allow power to be switched off by the supply company 'in an emergency,' when usage is high. They even mentioned high power usage like charging electric vehicles as possible reason for switch off.

I'm waiting for the howls of anguish when they start to load leccy bills with a road tax surcharge for charging your Tesla
 

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There was another story about wanting to fit homes with new smart meters that will allow power to be switched off by the supply company 'in an emergency,' when usage is high. They even mentioned high power usage like charging electric vehicles as possible reason for switch off.

I'm waiting for the howls of anguish when they start to load leccy bills with a road tax surcharge for charging your Tesla
There's many a true word spoken in jest, the Gov's think tanks will be busy as we speak with designs on replacing the diminishing car taxes as drivers migrate to the zero tax band!
 

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As above, electric vehicles hold no interest for me. I'm sure there will still be fossil fuel cars on our roads in 2050 unless the government do a compulsory scrappage scheme for cars in the interim.

Same as that!! I think electric cars bring their own as yet unquantified burden on the environment.
 

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As soon as public are led in quantity to duracells car tax will be same or more than currently on I.c.e .so those who believe should make hay while sun shines.
Personally I am fine with all things mechanical and electric pre ecm,electronic. So I aint puttin myself in any situation where I am forced to pay to maintain duracells,large scale electronics. Therefore I stayin wid suck. squeeze.bang.blow. I will be gettin away from g/box with ecm and regrettably going back to stick shifts.
 

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There's many a true word spoken in jest, the Gov's think tanks will be busy as we speak with designs on replacing the diminishing car taxes as drivers migrate to the zero tax band!
Funny, isn't it? A vast proportion of the workforce has been paid to stay at home, MPs have awarded themselves an extra 10k for the inconvenience but they're turning out these punitive policies like there's no tomorrow! Oh, I forgot; tomorrow is cancelled due to Brexit/environment/protecting the NHS/Covid (delete as required)

Sorry! Time for my meds.
 

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There was another story about wanting to fit homes with new smart meters that will allow power to be switched off by the supply company 'in an emergency,' when usage is high. They even mentioned high power usage like charging electric vehicles as possible reason for switch off.

I'm waiting for the howls of anguish when they start to load leccy bills with a road tax surcharge for charging your Tesla

The smart meters are about hourly or half hourly pricing rather than switching things off - they can switch supplies off already without them. I don't see what the fuss is about with smart meters and even more so when the tariff is communicated to other devices that don't need to be on all the time - it's about using power more efficiently.

I've just finished designing my own off grid solar power system as a house I have bought has no mains. If you go by the kwH I use the "recommended" system they sell you costs 4k. However, after some basic maths calcs I have planned my own system for 2.5k saving 1500 euros (half the batteries and a reduced max load inverter) by simply deciding that 1) the water heater will heat the tank once a day at peak generating capacity (i.e. midday) and 2) the washing machine will only be used in the day and 3) the two will not be used at the same time together. Those 3 conditions will make absolutely no difference to my life whatsoever so I have 1500 to spend on something useful.

Now as the grid is going more renewables, and electric cars will need more electricity, the smart meters will work the same - by convincing people (by price or by smart communication) to charge things when there is excess power and to not do so when there isn't. I imagine that the reality will be that you'll plug your car in at 6.00pm and state you will use it at 7am the next day. It will then charge it whenever it's cheapest and as long as it's charged by 7am it will make no difference to you if it does it at 7-9pm or 4-6am in the morning. As to these arguments about road tax, eletcric cars have never pretended to be about that. Like any newish technology they get subsidised to get a kick start while the cost comes down and infrastructure gets expanded. As people pay road and fuel tax now (and have done for many years) why would they suddenly be up and arms about paying it for an electric car?

The vast majority of people will not care about a car being electric or not, it will just be a car. There's also people who just hate change for change's sake. Sure if someone has a nice MX5 petrol or BMW inline 6 or Merc V8 then lament the loss of the engine, but how many people are going to miss the throb and clatter of a 4 pot CDi/Tdi that make up more than half of car sales...
 
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The smart meters are about hourly or half hourly pricing rather than switching things off - they can switch supplies off already without them. I don't see what the fuss is about with smart meters and even more so when the tariff is communicated to other devices that don't need to be on all the time - it's about using power more efficiently.

I've just finished designing my own off grid solar power system as a house I have bought has no mains. If you go by the kwH I use the "recommended" system they sell you costs 4k. However, after some basic maths calcs I have planned my own system for 2.5k saving 1500 euros (half the batteries and a reduced max load inverter) by simply deciding that 1) the water heater will heat the tank once a day at peak generating capacity (i.e. midday) and 2) the washing machine will only be used in the day and 3) the two will not be used at the same time together. Those 3 conditions will make absolutely no difference to my life whatsoever so I have 1500 to spend on something useful.

Now as the grid is going more renewables, and electric cars will need more electricity, the smart meters will work the same - by convincing people (by price or by smart communication) to charge things when there is excess power and to not do so when there isn't. I imagine that the reality will be that you'll plug your car in at 6.00pm and state you will use it at 7am the next day. It will then charge it whenever it's cheapest and as long as it's charged by 7am it will make no difference to you if it does it at 7-9pm or 4-6am in the morning. As to these arguments about road tax, eletcric cars have never pretended to be about that. Like any newish technology they get subsidised to get a kick start while the cost comes down and infrastructure gets expanded. As people pay road and fuel tax now (and have done for many years) why would they suddenly be up and arms about paying it for an electric car?

The vast majority of people will not care about a car being electric or not, it will just be a car. There's also people who just hate change for change's sake. Sure if someone has a nice MX5 petrol or BMW inline 6 or Merc V8 then lament the loss of the engine, but how many people are going to miss the throb and clatter of a 4 pot CDi/Tdi that make up more than half of car sales...


I am delighted with my 4 pot 170cdi.its very economic I go no where near a dealer. I am in no hurry to change. Everyone to their own, if it floats yr boat, go for it, it don't float mine.
 

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I love the "throb and clatter" of both my 1.6L 4 pot oil burners, I also think Angelina Jolie and Victoria Beckham are both absolute mingers... but there we go we're all different :rolleyes:
 

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I am delighted with my 4 pot 170cdi.its very economic I go no where near a dealer. I am in no hurry to change. Everyone to their own, if it floats yr boat, go for it, it don't float mine.

I think a simple motor and warranted battery pack for 10 years will keep you out of a garage more than all the stuff that can go wrong on a modern diesel and will be more economic to run. Don't get me wrong, I like my OM603 diesel as it is super economical and reliable for what it is. But I wouldn't miss the NVH and 0-60 in 13secs nor the smell it makes when cold, etc etc if there was an electric equivalent. I'm also in no hurry to change, but I won't lament the loss of an ICE option in the future either.

I can understand some cars have an engine as part of the character, smaller diesels are bought (atleast by 95%) of the users because they are efficient and torquey despite the noise fumes and potential repair bills. Somethign which electricity does better and with much fewer parts to go wrong. I don't think ICE will be missed for "normal" cars
 

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This tyrannical government is determined to turn the UK into a 3rd world country! Or turn back the clock to Victorian Times when only the very rich had any sort of life and freedom!
And you know what, we all sit back and let them do it and vote the same old Parties in time after time!

They are ALL cut from the same Cloth - you just get one side or the other of the same thing.

What was it that a certain man quoted.....

“The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed. - Adolf Hitler.”

Of course this is now being disputed as the quote is gaining popularity because they don't want people to see what modern leaders are doing is very akin to Hitler.

That is why they want you to believe that this is the new "Normal" so that when things don't actually return to what was "Normal" in the past people hardly notice, and anyway, it's all far too late by then.....

If any Generation has let their Children and their Children down, it is this Generation!

A lot of us here are of an age whereby it will not be of much consequence - but the Children.......

‘The Lord is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, to the third and the fourth generation.’ (Numbers 14:18).
 


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