MB policy to ship obsolete parts? (Nav Discs)

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I am fresh back from an extraordinary conversation with the Parts Manager of Mercedes Benz Nottingham that had us both shaking our heads in disbelief at the apparent stupidity of Mercedes Benz UK.

I have been trying to buy the Version 10 navigation discs for my APS 30 sat nav. I placed the order last Saturday and called to collect them on Thursday. Version 9 had been shipped by MB UK. MB Nottingham repeated the order. I called to collect again this morning. Version 9 had been shipped again.

In both instances MB Nottingham had used the correct part number for Version 10, but MB UK had shipped Version 9. Apparently it is the MB UK policy to clear old stock first. The MB Nottingham parts manager could see that just one of the old part number remained so he’s going to repeat the order twice to exhaust the old stock. The fourth order should yield the new discs for me, then he’ll return the three other orders to MB UK, and some other dealer will have to repeat the dance. He took this situation pragmatically and didn’t seem surprised by the lunacy it implies.

This raises two questions which I intend to put to the MD of Mercedes Benz UK:

1. What responsibility does MB have to supply its customers with the most recent items? I can see that supplying the oldest parts might not matter for some items. But when I’m buying an UPDATE it’s because I want the latest information. The concept of service is to steer your customers through these complexities, not to rely on them to know what’s current and what’s obsolete.

2. Although the navigation system reminds me to follow the road traffic regulations, if MB knowingly supply obsolete map data when they have a more up-to-date disc, do they start to share some culpability if I am guided to a dangerous turn-restriction or one-way street?

MB could see the release of a new version of the software as a good money making opportunity (Microsoft do): they could display the latest version in the showroom (Version 9 was on show this morning…); they could write to customers to tell them about the update; they could provide information on their website.

Instead they try and clear old stock and sell a potentially negligent product. These discs cost £200+ so this could be a case of adding injury to insult!

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Send the two questions listed, and ask them where customer care end and greed for profits begins.

Best of luck.

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In both instances MB Nottingham had used the correct part number for Version 10, but MB UK had shipped Version 9.
It's surprising that they will ship the old version against the correct new part number.
In my business (electronics) that's a serious quality control failure - the part we ship must match the customers order. Although perhaps the transaction between the MB and the dealer is regarded as an internal thing?
 

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I think in this case it is the same part number.

I have seen that sometimes on the Merc computer system, the notes against a part number states to exhaust old part first.

and sometimes the notes aginst a part number states that old part must no longer be used.

My view is that the parts person dealing with this computerised order would have the notes come up against the part number, but is not a very good parts person, and has not spotted the fact, or has been frightened to tell the customer.
 
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Part # for APS 30 V9 = B6 782 3669
Part # for APS 30 V10 = B6 656 0227

The parts manager ordered the new part # twice and the got the old disks twice because it is MB policy to ship old stock first. It's happened to him before with other parts (a gear knob last week he told me), he's neither foolish nor careless - just resigned to poor service from MB UK.

I've seen central parts supply over-riding a dealer before - when I worked in Turin I took my RHD FIAT Coupe with me, the dealer was always having his orders "corrected" by FIAT to supply LHD parts for my car (and I worked for FIAT at the time and the car was being serviced by the garage used by the FIAT directors...)

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The first pt No. comes up at a list price of £229. Is that correct ???????

The second pt No. does not come up on the computer at all. Where did you get ther part number from ???????
 
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"APS 30 V9 = B6 782 3669"

Comes from the back of the box of my existing discs. Cost me £205.53 on 18 July 2006.

"APS 30 V10 = B6 656 0227"

Comes from photo of back of box of several eBay sales and also in this thread on this forum:

http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/showthread.php?t=34123

Assuming I get the correct discs next week I'll re-post and confirm the part number on new set of discs.

I'll also let the forum know what Wilfried Steffen has to say about shipping obsolete stock to customers.
 
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My Navigation CD Audio 30 APS Version 10.0 for Europe arrived today.

The part number on the back of the box is B6 782 3784 and I've now found the MB website where you can register for info on updates and this is the most up-to-date set of discs listed. (www.dcmba.de/navi pick language and complete registration, the last step lists all the discs produced). Discs cost £178.90 + VAT.

But confusingly/worryingly there are pictures of a set of discs called "Navigations-CD AUDIO 30 APS / Sound 30 APS 2008" on eBay with the part number B6 656 0227 clearly visible on the packaging... have I been sold an out of date set?

As far as I can tell this is just a map update. V9.0 also had a software update for the Audio 30 APS which fixed a few bugs e.g. TP operation. No sign of TMC subscription for the UK.

I'll update the thread if a few weeks of driving about reveals any more info. And I'll also try and estimate how new the maps are based on road changes in my local area over the past 12 months.
 
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That is odd, but if you Google for the p/n you got B6 782 3784 you get lots of hits, inc:
http://www.mercedesforum.nl/forum/files/navigatie_12_2007_505.pdf (disc p/n are are page 7).

If you Google for the other p/n B6 656 0227 the only hit is this thread (although in a strange place).

I would assume also (but could be completely wrong) that the higher number in your p/n mean a later version. I do wonder what those discs on eBay are?
 
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Hello Rory

Many thanks for the pdf, quite reassuring, it corroborates the information on www.dcmba.de/navi

I've never bought discs from eBay - not trusting authenticity being one reason.

I've written to MB UK quoting the mystery part number, and when I get their reply I'll update this thread.

Thank you for taking an interest.

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I've never bought discs from eBay - not trusting authenticity being one reason.
I bought my last one (V6.3) for COMAND APS from eBay - I'm not bothered about having the *very* latest and only got 6.3 as it's the first to have TMC for the UK. If you wait until the next version comes out then the price of the previous version drops a lot - I paid £60 for mine and V6.3 had only been out a few mths then. Obviously you need to use the usual caution with eBay, but mine has been fine, it was still sealed in its wrapper and I'm sure it's not a counterfeit copy.

Each to their own, but no way would I pay the £250+ that MB want for the DVD upgrades. I know it's not apples for apples but you can buy a whole nav system for £100 these days. I'd be prepared to pay maybe £75/yr to get an annual upgrade but no more than that - I think MB are really missing a trick there.

I do wonder where all the nav discs on eBay come from though.
 
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A reply from Ms Hellen Robins of MB UK which has me even more confused:

“Our Parts Department have confirmed to me that we do not have a policy for sending out superseded stock and this process is currently under review.”

Ms Robins letter has typographic errors so I don’t know if she meant: a) there is a policy of sending out superseded parts, but this policy may be a bad one so MB UK are reviewing it; or b) they don’t send out superseded parts, but perhaps it’s a good idea to start doing so.

I referred to discs B6 656 0227 in my letter, Ms Robins writes “I understand that this part has now been put into general release and I understand that Mercedes-Benz of Nottingham has written to you to confirm this is now awaiting your collection”. Mercedes-Benz of Nottingham have now supplied me with a set of navigation discs with the part number B6 782 3784.

The letter ends, "We regret the circumstances that have prompted your letter and trust this clarifies our position in this matter."

It doesn't: it is self-contradictory and confusing; I'm writing to the CEO again, and wonder if he or Ms Robins will reply to clarify or confuse further, if at all.
 
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