More grunt please: fitting a supercharger/I want a kompressor

[alexspurs61]

I've searched the forum pretty well and haven't found what I was after, so I might be about to embarass myself.....

Has anyone retro-fitted a supercharger/kompressor?

I have an '96 E200 Estate with 90thou on it - generally I love and I do just a six mile round trip to work and the odd long trip at weekends.

Understandably with 136bhp under the bonnet, a little more grunt would be nice!

Anyone tried it? I know the W210 came with 2 litre kompressor version, just wondered if anyone knows if it fits and the difficulties involved.

I have an excellent independent who'd I'd trust with the work.

Cheers and thanks

PS - yep, I know I should be concentrating on the rust instead or perhaps just trading up!

 

[jberks]

Really not a place to go. If you're thinking of swapping the whole engine, the 200k was a far later engine (2000 on) so think of how many expensive complications could arise and double it. The gearbox on the 200k was a 5 speed tiptronic (which I believe yours isn't), the rad, oil cooler, ECU etc etc etc

If ou want to just add a supercharger, I suspect that there are substantial changed internally so again, not a place to go.

I assume there are turbo options too, but again, expensive.

Chop it in and buy a 320. cheaper, faster and less hassle.

 

[psmart]

Depending on your skill set, your could re-bore the cylinders and fit oversized pistons, skim the head to increase compression, grind and polish valves, add a free flow exhaust and air filter, increase size of injectors and uprate the pressure of the fuel pump. Check out the Americans MB website, www.benzworld.org, the Americans are more into tweaking their cars. I've found them very useful as Ive been looking for a 'safe' way to increase power of my car until the car Im after (V8 4.0 diesel) becomes available and reliable.

 

[alexspurs61]

Thought this might be the case guys, and thanks for your replies.

I am delighted with the car and only paid 3k for it with an entire history (mixed FMBSH and indie) so fair enough I guess. In retrospect a bigger lump would've been a better bet...and probably more economical than this tiddler, although that's not an issue.

Thanks again. It'll be an E320 next time; in the meatime I'll continue to enjoy my sedate bimbling along!

 

[jberks]

no nicer way to bimble!

 

[alexspurs61]

no nicer way to bimble!

Well, exactly. It's normally fairly lightly-laden, although it coped admirably with four up and luggage on hols recently. Even managed 34mpg at a steady 90-odd, much to my surprise.

I'll take her to 200,000 miles and then chop her in for a 320. Only 110k to go and then! :grin:

 

[psmart]

Well, exactly. It's normally fairly lightly-laden, although it coped admirably with four up and luggage on hols recently. Even managed 34mpg at a steady 90-odd, much to my surprise.

I'll take her to 200,000 miles and then chop her in for a 320. Only 110k to go and then! :grin:

You should try driving the A61 Leeds to Harrogate, a regular jaunt for me! Dinosaurs (retirees) regularly drive this route, a 60mph route, at 30mph and get highly uptight if you try to go faster, indeed, you commit the seventh deadly sin just passing them!! Words of Satan, horns of babylon, lights of sodath all come to pass as you go screaming past these 'creatures' who are long past there long long sleep!

Try driving an unmodified ML and try get pass these 'creatures'... 30mph until it looks like you can overtake, then they speed up! You accelerate... but to no avail, 'creatures' from the otherside accelerate and block you in your path! If you take life in your hands and go for it, you are subject to a torrent of abuse, cultism and other forms of torture only the dead in transit can curse upon you!!!!!

BUT.... up the power of your car, and these devils fall well behind, you fly past them, sticking 2 fingers up and wishing them fast transit to the other world!

If your car is underpowered, consider NOX (Nitreous Oxide) as you only rarely need to put on speed, only when you need to pass the ancient demons of the A61! I had my car chipped and ooohh what joy, to leave these living dead in there tracks!

Your cars a good one, for all intents and purposes, just obviously lacking speed at the critical moment. Thus NOX would be the solution. Probably a few hundred quid, but a good NOX company could breath life into your 90K old girl.

 

[SLinKyjoe]

You should try driving the A61 Leeds to Harrogate, a regular jaunt for me! Dinosaurs (retirees) regularly drive this route, a 60mph route, at 30mph and get highly uptight if you try to go faster, indeed, you commit the seventh deadly sin just passing them!! Words of Satan, horns of babylon, lights of sodath all come to pass as you go screaming past these 'creatures' who are long past there long long sleep!

indeed indeed.

do you get the slow down lights on at the bridge? or do you have to crawl over it and 1.5mph with aforementioned dodderers holding everything and his dog up, and they go and stop when anything approaches.

a good game would be to shoot off towards arthington and pool and go that way back to harrogate and see if you can come out just in front of them at pannel! mind you, you have to crack on somewhat.

or have i got the wrong road?


an even better idea. get right in behind them so they get so annoyed, they slow down, then pass them and indignantly slow them even further down as they were acting dangerous!

 

[alexspurs61]

Psmart, SlinkyJoe - you crack me up. Hassling old folk, I ask you

Of all the forums (fora?) in all the world I never thought I'd see Nitrous rear its ugly (ugly in a good way) head on this one! What a ruse....

......my signature below includes some of my bike history, but omits the Kawasaki GPz550 which a mate and I did just such a trick on back in '89 over the course of a weekend. The old lump wouldn't pull more than 120 indicated (not bad for an aircooled 8-valver to be fair) but with a burst of the laughing gas gave me an indicated 145 for a looong stretch of the A3 and subsequently a quite appalling speedlust...hence the later acquistion of the 900.

Now, where exactly in my lovely walnut dash do you suggest I cut the hole for the NO2 on/off switch?!!?

 

[SLinKyjoe]

have it placed under the throttle pedal. so it actiaves after the kickdown point. it will then only be on as long as your foot is down hard. just when you need the boost so to speak.

You could get the ECU fiddled with, it might knock out another 15-20 or so BHp by doing so. and they would have to do so if you had nitros, so the engine can be made to accept the extra fuel needed when the gas comes.

email a few people along the lines of compaines like DMS AUTOMOTIVE etc. they will tell you what they can do and how much, and whether its even worth it.

 

[jberks]

indeed indeed.

do you get the slow down lights on at the bridge? or do you have to crawl over it and 1.5mph with aforementioned dodderers holding everything and his dog up, and they go and stop when anything approaches.

a good game would be to shoot off towards arthington and pool and go that way back to harrogate and see if you can come out just in front of them at pannel! mind you, you have to crack on somewhat.

or have i got the wrong road?
!

Ah - my old stomping ground - actually not so old, up and down there very regularly. Grew up on it. The 30-50 drivers (depending on whether you're overtaking or not) drive me nuts on there. What I used to do as a wild teen (and still do from time to time) is overtake as I would normally and if they've picked up as they often do, pull in anyway. They normally get the message. Odd isn't it, that you follow at 30, overtake at 50, have to pick up to 60 to actually get past them, then drop to 40 and they still fall behind. I'm sure most of them don't even know they're doing it. My dad taught me on that road that as visibility is so good (and you know it so well), the trick is to drop back and accelerate whilst a car is still coming in the other direction, having just enough time to ease out before you smack into the back of them. Its a great feeling when you time it just right.

I suspect you'd have to be doing an insane speed to bypass them via pool. It must be twice the distance, windey and few places to overtake. I had to divert that way the last time they were rebuilding the bridge (yet again). It seemed to take forever.
Since chopping the 240 for the 270, I can now overtake them going up the hill back into Harewood (from H'gate). The 240 couldn't do it but the 270 5 up was effortless!

 

[alexspurs61]

have it placed under the throttle pedal. so it actiaves after the kickdown point. it will then only be on as long as your foot is down hard. just when you need the boost so to speak.

You could get the ECU fiddled with, it might knock out another 15-20 or so BHp by doing so. and they would have to do so if you had nitros, so the engine can be made to accept the extra fuel needed when the gas comes.

email a few people along the lines of compaines like DMS AUTOMOTIVE etc. they will tell you what they can do and how much, and whether its even worth it.

SLlinKyjoe, I've gone from thinking you were half joking to thinking I might have a look at this. The car itself is so sorted in other respects.....might just get the head gasket changed first though!
Right, I'm off to investigate this DMS mob....a nitrous'd 7 seat estate....my old biking mates will laugh their socks off.

 

[psmart]

indeed indeed.

do you get the slow down lights on at the bridge? or do you have to crawl over it and 1.5mph with aforementioned dodderers holding everything and his dog up, and they go and stop when anything approaches.

a good game would be to shoot off towards arthington and pool and go that way back to harrogate and see if you can come out just in front of them at pannel! mind you, you have to crack on somewhat.

or have i got the wrong road?


an even better idea. get right in behind them so they get so annoyed, they slow down, then pass them and indignantly slow them even further down as they were acting dangerous!

Trouble is, like jberks said, round via Poole, just after Harewood, its a lot longer route, so only AMG 55's need apply to beat the dodders! Unfortunately, the loonie left have been at this road, speed restrictions abound (on top of the naturally occuring living dead!!!). The other problem is concentration, after passing Lord D'Arcy and seeing the Amber Nectar, then coming out of Poole, another watering hole with an outdoor beer garden, loads of bikers.... you just cant say no!!!

I've tried slowing the living dead' down, but as 0mph is there naturally occuring speed... kinda doesnt work! Perhaps I should try overtaking, then engaging reverse

Ah - my old stomping ground - actually not so old, up and down there very regularly. Grew up on it. The 30-50 drivers (depending on whether you're overtaking or not) drive me nuts on there. What I used to do as a wild teen (and still do from time to time) is overtake as I would normally and if they've picked up as they often do, pull in anyway. They normally get the message. Odd isn't it, that you follow at 30, overtake at 50, have to pick up to 60 to actually get past them, then drop to 40 and they still fall behind. I'm sure most of them don't even know they're doing it. My dad taught me on that road that as visibility is so good (and you know it so well), the trick is to drop back and accelerate whilst a car is still coming in the other direction, having just enough time to ease out before you smack into the back of them. Its a great feeling when you time it just right.

Tis my testing track... every car I've ever tweaked gets a good run to Harewood. I think the 'living dead' phenomenon is a recent one, a generation which couldnt find its way to Bournemouth and Eastbourne, as I remember living in Harrogate for a time and having a summer job in Leeds and I used to love flying down this road in my suped up Skoda, a pleasure! Cant say the same these days. The trick on judging on-coming traffic was learnt from the early days, especially in under-powered cars, but unfortunately, the 'living dead' have got wise to this, and randomly depress the brake pedal!!! :x

SLlinKyjoe, I've gone from thinking you were half joking to thinking I might have a look at this.

Go for it.... but dont get hooked, not only does the gas cost, but you will quite possibly exceed the specs on your engine. Short bursts will be fine (overtaking) but if you get hooked...... gulp!

 

[SLinKyjoe]

Trouble is, like jberks said, round via Poole, just after Harewood, its a lot longer route, so only AMG 55's need apply to beat the dodders! Unfortunately, the loonie left have been at this road, speed restrictions abound (on top of the naturally occuring living dead!!!). The other problem is concentration, after passing Lord D'Arcy and seeing the Amber Nectar, then coming out of Poole, another watering hole with an outdoor beer garden, loads of bikers.... you just cant say no!!!

i must take a look. i havent actually been on there for some time. i go up the A60 to harrogate. or in fact, i go over via beckwithshaw etc.

It would take some doing to bypass the way i said and i should imagine to old dodderers would have no idea it was you behind and now in front.


That Nitros system they added to the jag in top gear was supposed to be around £500-£750 to get fitted. apart from some pipes and fidding with the engine, i should imagine it may not be such a big job.

It would be worth seeing the finished product dont you think?

 

[psmart]

The police must be reading this forum....

....Saturday night, decided to go upto the Wellington in the ML, to test the new Turbo and what should happen.... 30 signs all the way from the Grammar school upto Harewood... they were having a laugh! Living dead were in there element, 20mph!!! Floored the ML to pass the dead, was doing ~80 in no time, until I saw the police!!!!! Apart from Lancashire and Lincolnshire, this must be the worse road I've come across for the 'inverse speeding law'.... see how slowly you can drive!!!

alexspurs61 - I've been doing a lot of research on the web re:Turbo's, and there is an awful lot of companies out there advertising NOX products. Didnt pay too much attention, but the prices for NOX didnt shock me (>500 quid)!

 

[alexspurs61]

....Saturday night, decided to go upto the Wellington in the ML, to test the new Turbo and what should happen.... 30 signs all the way from the Grammar school upto Harewood... they were having a laugh! Living dead were in there element, 20mph!!! Floored the ML to pass the dead, was doing ~80 in no time, until I saw the police!!!!! Apart from Lancashire and Lincolnshire, this must be the worse road I've come across for the 'inverse speeding law'.... see how slowly you can drive!!!

alexspurs61 - I've been doing a lot of research on the web re:Turbo's, and there is an awful lot of companies out there advertising NOX products. Didnt pay too much attention, but the prices for NOX didnt shock me (>500 quid)!

Hi psmart - you've done it now. I've been busy preparing to be a best man for the first time, but the motor's in for a head gasket (pre-emptive: haven't broken her) and the following weekend the NOX attempt starts in earnest. Watch this space......cheers

 

[psmart]

I've been busy preparing to be a best man for the first time

Not all its cracked out to be, been there twice, and its all stress!!! You always end up offending one or t'other parents with your speech!!!!!

but the motor's in for a head gasket (pre-emptive: haven't broken her) and the following weekend the NOX attempt starts in earnest. Watch this space......cheers

Good one... not many people in the MBOA who seem to want or know about tweaking there Merc's, other than sticking a chip or box in. Im sure SlinkyJoe will be interested, he must be running out of pleasure in his under-powered pa-pap by now

Me, located bigger injectors, a company who is willing to re-map my original ECU map so that it injects the right fuel (without much extre turbo spin up and injection into the power stroke), so just need to find the squeeking rat in my engine bay