New Pro Car Political Party

[unity1906]

A New Political Party The Car Party at www.thecarparty.org.uk launched on the 6th November, members are welcome to join and we are about to lauch a major media campaign against all forms of road charging, high fuel taxes, parking etc. We will campaign against Gatso cameras, and Toll roads, black box charging and against congestion charges. The train companies are ready to introduce staged pricing for increased traffic during the rush hours. The motorist now has a political voice, please use it.

We are looking for activists and helpers.

We are looking for members and spokespersons.

We are looking for web design professionals to give our site a rebuild for a more professional look.

Donations and funding needed to start the fight back for the car driver before it's too late.

 

[jon_harley]

The website says you want to cut fuel tax and abolish car tax, speed cameras, tolls and wheel clamping but fails to mention which public services you think should be cut as a result of the fall in money coming in. Any comment?

 

[kth286]

The Car party-for Freedom of Mobility. would be a better title to get more support.

A lot of people may think that cars for cars sake is not politically correct, as the picture I see of the roads around my place are far more attractive in the daytime when the cars have all gone off to their places of work.

So cars do cause a lot of clutter, etc etc etc.

But, we do need them, and by incorporating some major benefit to people, in your title, you will get a more receptive response. IMHO

 

[neil3407]

The website says you want to cut fuel tax and abolish car tax, speed cameras, tolls and wheel clamping but fails to mention which public services you think should be cut as a result of the fall in money coming in. Any comment?
16-11-2006 07:50 PM

Speed cameras and wheel clamping do not contribute much to government coffers, most of the revenue raised goes to pay for camera partnerships and clamping fees go to private companies in the main.

Why do you think public service cuts will automatically happen? (even if this govt has created hundreds of thousands of extra public service non jobs).A lot of waste can be cut from government spending, IT projects for instance,not to mention the amounts that we give away in overseas aid

Is it fair that motorists are forced subsidise public services ? should it not be paid for by income tax?, so that all pay and not just some like overtaxed drivers

 

[peterchurch]

The website says you want to cut fuel tax and abolish car tax, speed cameras, tolls and wheel clamping but fails to mention which public services you think should be cut as a result of the fall in money coming in. Any comment?

Actually if you want to start talking about cutting the services why don't we ask why the ODPM needs over 19,000 Civil Servants plus their pensions and upkeep? Not to mention paid consultancy positions.

Unless we want to choke on civil servants, this country needs a massive shake up but no one has the balls to do it because it would mean shafting their own office staff and sacking most of their own departments...

If you really want to make a big difference in the affairs of this country all you need to do is stop the business of flushing budgets down the pan at the end of each financial year just so the department can get more cash the next year. The idea that anything under £30,000,000 is below the interests of the audit commission is also something that needs revising.

No one needs to cut services just stop doing the mundane crap that has no effect on the real world...

If the existing parties wanted to cut congestion / pollution over night all they need to do is make every £ earned from your own home totally tax free... How many of you would get in a car to go to an office to pay tax if you could work at your own pace with better results for a quater of the time and tax free?

Rant over

 

[Blobcat]

Actually if you want to start talking about cutting the services why don't we ask why the ODPM needs over 19,000 Civil Servants plus their pensions and upkeep? Not to mention paid consultancy positions.

Unless we want to choke on civil servants, this country needs a massive shake up but no one has the balls to do it because it would mean shafting their own office staff and sacking most of their own departments...

If you really want to make a big difference in the affairs of this country all you need to do is stop the business of flushing budgets down the pan at the end of each financial year just so the department can get more cash the next year. The idea that anything under £30,000,000 is below the interests of the audit commission is also something that needs revising.

No one needs to cut services just stop doing the mundane crap that has no effect on the real world...

If the existing parties wanted to cut congestion / pollution over night all they need to do is make every £ earned from your own home totally tax free... How many of you would get in a car to go to an office to pay tax if you could work at your own pace with better results for a quater of the time and tax free?

Rant over

Here Here & mumble from backbenches

 

[jon_harley]

Actually if you want to start talking about cutting the services why don't we ask why the ODPM needs over 19,000 Civil Servants plus their pensions and upkeep?

By all means let's ask, but you don't sound all that interested in the answer - seems like you have already decided they do nothing useful.

The idea that anything under £30,000,000 is below the interests of the audit commission is also something that needs revising.

For the Audit Commission to look at large numbers of smaller sums, it'd need large numbers more staff, it's surprising to hear you advocating this - where would the extra money come from? (And the extra money to pay for the unemployment benefits for all these tens of thousands of unemployed civil servants)

No one needs to cut services just stop doing the mundane crap that has no effect on the real world

Can you give some concrete examples of crap, or are you just assuming that if you don't know what a government office does, it must be pointless?

 

[OmniCognateNeutronRangler]

you're not a civil servant by any chance jon?

 

[jon_harley]

No I'm an entrepreneur and my experience of other western European countries leads me to think the UK is pretty efficient and unbureaucratic compared to our neighbours. But some people are never happy.

Ah well, working in Oslo all next week, wonder what their tax rates are like...

 

[television]

Very high, that's why those living near the Swedish border shop in Sweden.

Malcolm

 

[peterchurch]

By all means let's ask, but you don't sound all that interested in the answer - seems like you have already decided they do nothing useful.

That was not really fair. I already new what they did as I did a very small amount of work there for a few weeks, and I did, In fact ask them. The reply was "We help answer questions tabled to the DPM at question time..." They also get involved in alot of planning and hold some other stuff that mostly no-one except other departments will ever want ...

Can you give some concrete examples of crap, or are you just assuming that if you don't know what a government office does, it must be pointless?

1) How about asking lots of people to write you the same report on using road pricing to reduce congestion when anyone with half a brain could tell you that you should do the job at the petrol pump with punative taxes and save a fortune in costs on equipment that can and will be hacked... Afterall I cannot hack round the fact that I need another tank of petrol. and If it starts to costs me £1.50 per litre I am going to find alternatives...

Howmany other pointless reports do we pay for each month?

2) Some clown came up with a suggestion this week that we should all get a carbon credit card to swipe at places like the dump or when we buy petrol. whos going to design and implement that system for us? can you see another NHS cash cow coming??? That thought took time to distill and it too probably had a report written on it...

3) On one job I got invoved in a fellow consulting firm charged £2000 per day for a useless idiot that was so inept he used to keep a stolen police cone in his boot of his jag to keep the best parking space on the campus reserved for himself in the mornings... What was his job? He chaired three months worth of question and answers sessions on behalf of the department in question. In which time the three bidding contractors took all the notes and the department provided _ALL_ written material... He did nothing except turn up and say good morning then hand over to the section of the day... (great work if you can get it...)

4) We sent human beings with families and loved ones to the gulf and Afganistan without the right tools for the job. BUT when the MOD refurbished Their offices they made sure everyone there got a nice Herman Miller chair. Does anyone else think that they have their priorities wrong?

5) Over £300,000,000 spent on a job that was supposed to cost £30,000,000 All down to the government muppets in charge not understanding what they wanted to do and the implications of doing it...

For the Audit Commission to look at large numbers of smaller sums, it'd need large numbers more staff, it's surprising to hear you advocating this - where would the extra money come from? (And the extra money to pay for the unemployment benefits for all these tens of thousands of unemployed civil servants)

Why not just export the whole process to India? They want the work and will be doing it for next to nothing Theres also the added benifit that they are very good at figurework and we might just signoff the govenrment accounts for once. If you uses PWC to oversee the project I have no doubt they would show savings over the current incumbents in the role...

Thoses cost savings would more than cover the job losses over here...

 

[unity1906]

The Car Party appearing on Tonight Feb 16th 8pm.

Firstly as the Campaigns Manager with the Car Party allow me to condemn law breaking and the idiots who are conducting the letter bomb campaign will be looking quite rightly at a lengthy prison sentence.

Now, the motorist is under siege of that there can be no doubt. The Labour Government believes in looking after people so we live in a nanny state where more and draconian laws raise their heads every day.

Technology is the new evil especially when it is invented to control the masses without thought to common sense. Technology like speed cameras hidden in cats eyes miniaturized spy's to control the masses from freedom of action, after all speeding and parking are an absolute law so what defense can there be. A Government must recognize freedom and one that seeks to control is evil and on the way to seeking a tyrannical police state.

Even an idiot can see the difference between exceeding the speed limit on a country road at three am in the morning and past a school gate at attendance time, NO the anti car brigade can not distinguish that at all, they insist a law is a law. So we have ever increasing speed cameras and more draconian parking law and speeding law to raise revenue and all the time it is falsely presented as a quest for safety.

Freedom is not free and the deaths on the road are tragic but it is a price that is paid for freedom. The vast majority of motorists can use speed sensibly a few can not. The anti car mentality is trying to breed guilt, we should feel guilty we drive a car so we are guilty, we must therefore be guilty of killing polar bears and speeding through towns at break neck speeds too fast to stop to dumb to think.

Now more and more web sites are beginning the fight back against the moronic anti car minority.

Congestion Charging, Road pricing, Less parking spaces but more fines for parking, Speed limits that are too low for the situation all these things are building frustration and frustration leads to rage and that also needs to be addressed, A war is being fought against the motorist and the motorist is going to fight back we at the car party would prefer people to use the ballot box.

As for c02 emissions China is making cement in vast quantities and the manufacture of cement has the highest co2 emission, Powergen is the biggest creator of co2 in the UK, We should have been building more nuclear power stations years ago.

Maybe the Greenies could lead the way in living in grass huts abandoning civilization as we know it and saving the planet the only question then becomes what are we saving it for

 

[BarryG]

OK I am definitely not Anti Car or I wouldn't be here.
But!
You are coming across as something of a Zealot where only your opinions count. Of course there are stupid laws in this country but some of them are to cover against stupid people.
Quite frankly if yours was the only alternative I think I would stick with our present "Democracy"

 

[jon_harley]

OK I am definitely not Anti Car or I wouldn't be here.

None of us are anti-car. It's a "straw man", a target set up purely because it's easy to attack and won't fight back. You notice there are no actual concrete examples, just vague generalisations about an "anti car brigade" without naming them or quoting their words.

But!
You are coming across as something of a Zealot where only your opinions count.

Zealot's being quite polite about it