Paint diy help!

[mattriz]

Hi there, i'm new to the forum, hello everyone

Ok got a 1999 Black CLK 230 Komp in a good condition but it has a few rust spots on the wings. I have done a resto on a car a very long time ago, so my memory is a bit hazy so any help would be greatly appreciated.

The colour code for the paint is BLACK 040, but the Halfords "make up your own paint £10.99" rattle can's just deliver damn orange peel paint on the surface, unlike the normal off the shelf cans. My plan is, to do the arches and then blend them in. But as I said, the paint in the can's that they make up are rubbish. So I need help with the following:

1) What off the shelf cans in Halfords can you buy which is very similar in colour to paint code 040 (black, not metallic).
2) Once i've applied a coat(s), do I then rub down with the finest grade Wet and Dry or do I just apply the coats and then compound to blend?
3) What compound would you recommend to blend in the existing black with the new black paint?

Sorry for all the questions. I'd like to do a good job here and I can't afford to take it into a garage to get it done as short on finances due to baby on the way.

Thanks in advance,

Matt

 

[television]

Hello and welcome, things have changed over the year re paints, your car has a base coat and 2 component top clear coat, so short of an extremely high powered thinners, blending is no longer an option.

It is there wrong time of the year to be doing this as the solvents in the paint hang around too long.

You are better off just finishing off with the base coat and waxing for the top coat is not as clear as the original and the job will look cloudy. Base coat is not a finish in itself, but its the best that you can do

 

[mattriz]

Thanks for your help

Previously I had rubbed down the wings, removed all the rust and used a rust treatment to prevent it coming back. I've then filled the areas, sanded down and given it about 3 coats of primer, with the top coat being filler primer. I've spent about 2 days on it solid, and i'd say the wings are prepared for painting now but those damn paints in Halfords which they make up especially are poor and have delivered on one wing an orange peel effect, which I have removed immediately.

So blending is out of the question, bugger... So you think i'm better off getting the closest match possible and then waxing it to give it the shine? Or do you suggest applying a clear lacquer over the top or would I be asking for trouble?

Aims are to keep the car but once the sprog is nearly due, we may have to sell it to get a 5 door Merc as this coupe isn't practical at the moment, so I want to do a good job ideally.

Thanks again!

Matt

 

[mattriz]

I forgot to ask, what ideal temperature should it be outside for me to paint then? I'm concerned that painting when its too cold will affect the overall finish.

 

[television]

Its impossible under 15c unless you use a heat lamp to warm the panel. 20 is the best. the Halfords tins can only be used for single passes with a few min gap before the next pass, if you coat too quickly the solvents will be trapped in.

Take your time and remember that paint shrinks and sinks when it has dried so the process will take a few hours even when working at 20c About 10 base coats will build up the finish, and you can and need to flat say every 2 caots. after 24 hours you can T cut it. do not try the clear coat

 

[mattriz]

OK that sounds good. I may try and use one of my clients undercover areas to take the car and do the repair. I can then heat up the panel then with heaters (as that's what they make!).

I have BLACK T-CUT. I know its not the best thing to use on paint, but i've tried some on the existing paint work and its made it very black indeed. So if I spray the areas I need to, and then go over the old paint with t-cut, it could blend it slightly to give it merged effect. I know it won't be perfect but it could well be passable, what do you think?

Finally, any ideas of what the closest colour is to 040 BLACK?

Kind regards,

Matt

 

[mattriz]

Just seen this on ebay! Could be a good alternative to Halfords spray cans and is the proper colour

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AEROSOL-SPRAY...3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:1|39:1|240:1318

 

[television]

Black T cut is fine,, when flatting one should always use a block,if not your finger will follow the some shape as the panel and you will be spraying on and rubbing off for ever.

A block will take off the high parts, then spray again and the low parts slowly fill up to the right height

Cant help with the paint code but the matches in the tins are good.

If you are only doing the flat edge, and not going onto the curved larger area of the wing then try a top coat of clear, then when dry,Tcut it so that the edge is feathered.

Clear coat will not blend with the original finish.

Aerosol paint is very thin, hence the many coats, if you get a run, when dry flat off with a 1200 paper and do it again, not forgetting that the run will be very slight when it has shrunk and hardened

 

[mattriz]

Thanks again for the advice By the way, I intend to use my father in laws polisher machine, then black t-cut, and polish all the wings and the rest of the car and hopefully i'll get that blending feathered effect once the paint has fully dried.

Is it recommend to block down with 1200 between each coat or just apply a few coats then t-cut?

 

[Xtractorfan]

You can actually paint this in with any black aerosol,.. all blacks are basically the same, so a ford black or any other black will do your blow in...I would recommend that you lacquer the basecoat, You can buy the lacquer in aerosol cans as well, the secret here is to experiment on an old panel before attempting to paint your wagon..
As Malcolm has said the paint in aerosol tins is thin, so In my opinion this will work in your favour, surprised the halfords one caused orange peel..

First thing to do is panel wipe the complete panel to remove wax, grease etc, dry off then scotch brite (grey) the panel well beyond the area you are gonna paint, Now use a hair dryer heat the panel it should feel warm, not hot..apply a coat of colour to cover your primer, one light coat do not try and colour the primer, heat again and apply another coat of colour, this time cover a slightly bigger area, dry off again and again apply another coat ..larger area again, this should now have coloured your repair, if not apply another coat..

Dry well off with the hair dryer.. now the clearcoat, use a full can, spray some onto an old panel and check the spray pattern. Now apply one coat over and slightly beyond the painted area, dry off and apply another coat,
Now for the last coat try this..
Now start painting from beyond the painted area and paint in towards the repair ..other coats have been painted from the centre out..this one paint from the outside in, and you now should have an acceptable repair that will polish and blend in.. apply some heat and leave until the next day. if need be you can sand down with 1500 or 2000 grit sand paper..use plently of soap and water and then polish up with farecla G3 liquid polish.. if using a buffing machine keep the edges of the sponge damp, keep the machine flat on the work, and trigger the machine ...if you dont have a vari speed ..to keep the speed of the machine low..also if buffing near an edge make sure you run the rotational direction of the buffing head off the panel edge, Running a buffing head against the edge of a panel will burn your paint edge...

 

[bigasotonuk]

Doing the MODs on my AMG I have had need of getting parts painted, I approached a good paint sprayer friend of mine regarding this and he suggested that we used an Aerosol can to paint it, as the bits were only small, he used a can of matching paint from Halfords with no problems at all then with a compressor applied the lacquer, and the bits look absolutely perfect. I would,nt have any problem recommending this method or the paint cans from Halfords.
Whats the difference between an off the shelf aerosol and the ones that Halfords put the correct colour in the can. Surely an aerosol can is an aerosol can, is,nt it?

 

[television]

Doing the MODs on my AMG I have had need of getting parts painted, I approached a good paint sprayer friend of mine regarding this and he suggested that we used an Aerosol can to paint it, as the bits were only small, he used a can of matching paint from Halfords with no problems at all then with a compressor applied the lacquer, and the bits look absolutely perfect. I would,nt have any problem recommending this method or the paint cans from Halfords.
Whats the difference between an off the shelf aerosol and the ones that Halfords put the correct colour in the can. Surely an aerosol can is an aerosol can, is,nt it?

The Halford paints are spot on, it is the top coats that are impossible to match, the 2 pack as used by the car maker is much clearer than the cans of acrylic, the only available type unless you have a spray plant.

I agree Andy, that with a grazed component, re finish with the Halfords bass coat, and any coach works can apply the top coat when they are using it on another car, I did this with a bumper, after filling and flatting, 2 cans aerosols did the base coat, that cost £10 as against £35 for a liter to use in a spray gun, plus the thinners at £30.

My coach builder did the top coat for £20 with the left over from another job

 

[Gazzaj]

Dont wish to sound negative, but this could be a false econemy, by the time you have stocked up on supplies you'll be into fourty fifty quid, then the time on top, then the fact that if you do make a mistake, your going to have to pay someone to put it right anyway, who will charge more to undo work than they would to do it in the first place. On a black car it will stick out like a sore thumb too if its not right. Easier to get a smart repairer to do it, they usually charge £30 per corner, and theyre pro's

 

[Xtractorfan]

Smart repairs are a temporary method of repair for used car sales..I have yet to see one done properly.. they use thinned down lacquer and express accelerators to dry the lacquer quickly, these normally fade or craze up in a few weeks....

 

[television]

Smart repairs are a temporary method of repair for used car sales..I have yet to see one done properly.. they use thinned down lacquer and express accelerators to dry the lacquer quickly, these normally fade or craze up in a few weeks....

Yes I would agree with that, one sharp frost and they do craze, because they are so weak.

 

[ping]

try dragontek.co.uk

 

[television]

try dragontek.co.uk

Hello ping and welcome to the forum