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'A traffic policeman has been cleared of speeding through roadworks, as a sign had been knocked over in bad weather.
Mark Treleaven-Jones, 42, accepted that he had been caught, on 4 February, driving at 56mph through a 40mph temporary light at Penmaenmawr, Conwy.
But his defence argued one sign had been knocked over and another had been obstructed because of the weather.
District Judge Andrew Shaw told the officer he was satisfied that the 40mph sign had been blown to the floor.
The officer, with 22 years experience, is based with North Wales Police at Bangor, Gwynedd.
'Windy weather'
He told the court at Llandudno that he was familiar with the roadworks concerned, which went on for months, and he was aware of a speed restriction in the area.
But he said the contraflow had been changed, and so the signs were very important.
He said the weather that weekend had been "particularly bad" and very windy.
The prosecution said the court had to consider whether there was adequate guidance for drivers to know the speed limit.
Defence solicitor, Huw Edwards, argued that on the night there had been more than a trivial departure from the signage requirements.
"The speed limit wasn't operative on that night," he said.
District Judge Shaw said he was satisfied that on the night the 40mph central sign had been blown to the floor.
He added that he was also satisfied that the view of another sign had been obstructed.'

'He said the weather that weekend had been "particularly bad" and very windy. '...If the weather was SO BAD, what was he doing traveling at 56 mph ???
 

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I was under the impression that you treated all roads as 30 mph unless signs showed other wise ?
 

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i should have joined the police, they get away with everything!!!!
 
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He wasn't even just an ordinary copper...he was a Traffic Officer. Aren't they the ones who just love to spread the message ' Speed Kills " at every opportunity, accompanied by a nice big fine ?
 

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He was clearly a highly trained professional - as are all policemen who ignore the traffic laws.

Sadly, the rest of us are not - so the Traffic Volvo V70, driving without blue lights or klaxon, which passes you on the motorway like you were standing still (but you're driving at 70mph) is OK? I don't think so.

Deaths in police pursuits have been pretty constant at 30-35 per year for a very long time now.

Recently, the Transport Minister (whoever it was that day) announced that driver training and the DoT driving test are to be upgraded to instill behavioural safety techniques in all new drivers. I wholeheartedly agree with the strategy. Can anyone suggest where this could usefully be piloted? :confused:
 

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Recently, the Transport Minister (whoever it was that day) announced that driver training and the DoT driving test are to be upgraded to instill behavioural safety techniques in all new drivers. I wholeheartedly agree with the strategy. Can anyone suggest where this could usefully be piloted? :confused:

No point teaching an old dog new tricks (well replace dog with p1g). They look after their own, always have done, always will. its a boys club.

Does anyone remember the drink driving p1g that got off on a technicality in devon (evidence gathered incorrectly-B*lls-deliberate c*ock up).
 

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No point teaching an old dog new tricks (well replace dog with p1g). They look after their own, always have done, always will. its a boys club.

Does anyone remember the drink driving p1g that got off on a technicality in devon (evidence gathered incorrectly-B*lls-deliberate c*ock up).

Whatever happened to the fighter pilot who was honing his "pursuit driving skills" at 154 mph on the M54? :confused:
 

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Here's another one who managed to wipe out an innocent life and he was only practising, not even taking part in a real emergency .
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/live...trainer-s-anguish-over-crash-100252-21938388/

It is difficult to know where to start here.



If the police were advising me of the folly of driving at such a speed on such a road, it would certainly include comments such as:
  • 60 mph is a maximum speed limit - you do not have to drive that fast, and you must not drive faster than that
  • you must drive at a speed which you believe to be safe in the conditions
  • you must be able to stop in the distance you can see clearly in front of you.
In their training exercise there is surely a cautionary clause, such as "regardless of the briefing, if you realise that you can not conduct the exercise safely, you must slow down".

I really think they must give up using terms such as Advanced Driver and all variants of this until they become competent and clean up their act.

PS - they also have firearms specialists (Stockwell, 2007) :???:
 

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Some of them think they are invincible when they get behind the wheel of a police car and believe that they and they only have any ability when it comes to handling a vehicle.
Wearing a hat with a white top is pretty meaningless when you read reports of court cases like this as it clearly doesn't make you ' invincible "
 

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Some of them think they are invincible when they get behind the wheel of a police car and believe that they and they only have any ability when it comes to handling a vehicle.
Wearing a hat with a white top is pretty meaningless when you read reports of court cases like this as it clearly doesn't make you ' invincible "

I think they're in all fairness better than most, but not invincible or as good as they think they are.
 

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Some of them think they are invincible when they get behind the wheel of a police car and believe that they and they only have any ability when it comes to handling a vehicle.
Wearing a hat with a white top is pretty meaningless when you read reports of court cases like this as it clearly doesn't make you ' invincible "

I've got to laugh at this, when you watch the programmes on TV - i.e. "Police, Stop, Camera" etc. the local neds who nick an astra/metro, (or any other old banger you can think of,) out drive them most of the time, o.k. they may eventually get caught but that's only because the police use loads of high powered cars, stingers, road blocks, helicopters, etc. etc. (how much does this all cost?) and at the end of the day they give them paltry fines/sentences?

I had the fortune many years ago to participate in the police advanced driving course, (which is the basically what they use to train their people,) and in a theoretical scenario in the classroom I said that in a winding road the best place to overtake a line of cars was on an "S" bend (providing that you can see the road all the way through!!) (the old Loch Lomond road :D) ) this was met with absolute horror :mad: When I explained that the cars in front would be slowing / braking for the bends, and that when you overtake at this point you would be accelerating in a "straight line" - i.e. when you are on the outside line you would be going in a straight line through;) Afterwards, when I was leaving and getting into my car (a fairly newish Hillman Avenger,) the instructor - who was banging on earlier about the importance of vehicle maintenance etc. - left in an old V.W.Beetle with a blowing exhaust? :rolleyes: so, it's always been like this, boys club, and, you can't teach ability, you're born with it, and you can hone it.
 

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I've got to laugh at this, when you watch the programmes on TV - i.e. "Police, Stop, Camera" etc. the local neds who nick an astra/metro, (or any other old banger you can think of,) out drive them most of the time, o.k. they may eventually get caught but that's only because the police use loads of high powered cars, stingers, road blocks, helicopters, etc. etc. (how much does this all cost?) and at the end of the day they give them paltry fines/sentences?

I had the fortune many years ago to participate in the police advanced driving course, (which is the basically what they use to train their people,) and in a theoretical scenario in the classroom I said that in a winding road the best place to overtake a line of cars was on an "S" bend (providing that you can see the road all the way through!!) (the old Loch Lomond road :D) ) this was met with absolute horror :mad: When I explained that the cars in front would be slowing / braking for the bends, and that when you overtake at this point you would be accelerating in a "straight line" - i.e. when you are on the outside line you would be going in a straight line through;) Afterwards, when I was leaving and getting into my car (a fairly newish Hillman Avenger,) the instructor - who was banging on earlier about the importance of vehicle maintenance etc. - left in an old V.W.Beetle with a blowing exhaust? :rolleyes: so, it's always been like this, boys club, and, you can't teach ability, you're born with it, and you can hone it.

I do this routinely, overtake on S bends. A few times its scared a passanger senseless but if you can see and its good to go....
 

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I do this routinely, overtake on S bends. A few times its scared a passanger senseless but if you can see and its good to go....

"The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line" says it all really:cool:
 


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