Smoking in pubs - referendum needed.

[HERBIEMERCMAN]

hi everyone i have just visited my local country pub with my wife, it is situated in a lakeland area and only really accesssable by car.

i like my two pints, which i have exhaustively explained in my other postings, and my wife loves a smoke.

today the weather was wet and windy so people popping out for a quick puff was not happening.

it made me think whilst looking at a small cosy room at the back of the pub which was empty, why could this not have an extract fan and be available to smokers ? this would not hurt anyone. no food in there , just drinks and smoking, why not? i am not a smoker, i hate it, and welcome the ban where smokers could light up anywhere, but here we have the tail wagging the dog again where the anoracks and proud pureists have stopped all smoking.

we own several nursing homes and they all had the extraction fan room, we have now had to errect cannopies out in the cold so the hard working staff can have a puff. the smoking rooms with suitably sized extract fans is perfectly safe, only the smokers get the smoke.

i know this is a car club so here is the car bit, my wife has learned that if you just crack open slightly your passenger window the air is sucked from the car as well as the poisonous smoke she hates me drinking and i tolerate her smoking. herbiemercman.

 

[st4]

I used to smoke when I was in my teens. Personally I quite like the smell of cigarette smoke and in certain pubs (mainly city centre ones) since the ban the smell inside is worse. I would also strongly resent having to go outside to do something which in my view is personally acceptable to do.

I can see why the ban is there, there is an increased risk of health problems from secondary smoke (remember this isn't filtered like the smoke you inhale when you smoke a fag). This represents a significant hazard to those who work in pubs/bars/clubs and also younger people too (children out for a family meal and there is smoke in the pub). On this basis your proposed refurendum would get nowhere, the overwhelming majority like the no smoke inside way of thinking.

However there should be smoking and non smoking zones or even better some pubs should be allowed to have smoking inside and some not. The non smokers would go the the one that doesn't smell of fags, and the ones that smoke can smoke inside where its nice and warm...

 

[Jay Gee]

Absolutely to both of you.Spain has some bars/restaurants that are smoke free,but also has some with smoking areas inside.I believe France is the same??.Even Germany,famous for adherence to rules, is quite lax on this one(as long as nobody in the establishment at the time has an objection. Why not have designated non smoking and smoking pubs,then both customers and staff have a free choice.

 

[100%Bitch]

Keep smoking outside is what I say.

When I was a manager at Royal Mail, the smokers had their own "special" room where they would go on their break and have a cigarette. Whenever that room door was opened it absolutely stank in the whole corridor. The walls and ceiling were a yellowy-brown, and although there was a good extractor fan, it was disgusting. I am an ex-smoker and I know what it's like to need a cigarette now and again but keep it outside.

Even in a room that nobody else uses in a pub, somebody has to serve drinks, serve food, clean. Why the hell should that disgusting habit be forced on somebody who has chosen not to pollute their lungs?

It absolutely stinks!

 

[television]

I smoke small cigars, but never in the car or house, the smell is horrible

 

[antijam]

Absolutely to both of you.Spain has some bars/restaurants that are smoke free,but also has some with smoking areas inside.I believe France is the same??.Even Germany,famous for adherence to rules, is quite lax on this one(as long as nobody in the establishment at the time has an objection. Why not have designated non smoking and smoking pubs,then both customers and staff have a free choice.

France I'm afraid has totally prohibited smoking in bars and restaurants since January last year.
Prior to this, eating places would have no smoking areas designated by a notice on the table. The response of the gallic clientèle to this restriction was typically pragmatic - if Monsieur or Madame needed a drag, and this would normally be at least between each course and very often during it - he/she would simply pick up the 'non fumeur' sign and place it on the adjacent table. Job done.....

 

[HERBIEMERCMAN]

hi st4, i am making the point that a small room in a pub would have an extract fan and all the fumes from all the pub would be sucked out, non of the bar staff or people eating would get any fumes at all anywhere else in the pub.if any fumes do re-enter then the fan has not been sized correctly. no food or waitress srvice just the smokers ( 100% bitch please note ).

i also agree with jay gee that we should have smoking and non smoking pubs, it's my swan song again about us
"HAVING CHOICE".

just an aside i once took my lot for a nice meal in the pines hotel there was a guy opposite who had finished his meal and then lit up a very smelly cigar after a few minutes i went over and politely pointed out the distress he was causing me and my party.

he was embarrassed and took offence, he suggested what he would like to do with his cigar so i did not like this and said the car park was a good place for him to carry out his suggestion.

he declined but spoiled my meal i cannot eat when the red mist is up.

yes i hate smoking but equally hate people being told what they can and can't do by anoracks. simple technology can solve the problem for smokers and non smokers. herbiemercman.

 

[C180 Chris]

I am a non smoker (never touched one ever) I also work as a Club Doorman, so this smoking ban has caused me a few problems as large groups of people stand outside smoking near us. Although we move them away from the door area the smoke, and lots of it drifts our way!
I feel that this law has been a typical product of this Government, ill thought out and causes as many problems as it solves.
I do however agree that staff should not be subjected to second hand smoke as they often have no choice but to work in that area. One possible solution for some places has been to make a smokers roof terrace (not for every pub of course but not a bad idea for the ones with flat roofs and a bit of vision.)
At the end of a night i can smell smoke on my clothing and taste it in my throat! Well done to those who made the law (they obviously didn't think of Doorman, but we're a hardy bunch and well used to that.)

All the best,

 

[Mercedes 190E]

I'm with Helen, I'm afraid.

 

[Alex M Grieve]

I'm with Helen, I'm afraid.

Lucky chap - why apologize?

 

[Mercedes 190E]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I meant I AGREE with Helen !

 

[Alex M Grieve]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I meant I AGREE with Helen !

Very prudent - it is always best to agree with Helen.

 

[Rappey69]

this could tie in with the "visiting country pubs" thread.
Many dont bother visiting pubs any more due to not being able to smoke.
They go one step further in america and ban from smoking within 15ft of any doorway, unless you are in new orleans,then you can smoke in bars and even wander out in the street with a plastic cup of beer..

 

[100%Bitch]

hi st4, i am making the point that a small room in a pub would have an extract fan and all the fumes from all the pub would be sucked out, non of the bar staff or people eating would get any fumes at all anywhere else in the pub.if any fumes do re-enter then the fan has not been sized correctly. no food or waitress srvice just the smokers ( 100% bitch please note ).

And how would you choose the staff to work in these places? Sorry, you can only work here if you smoke or if you can handle breathing in other people's disgusting smoke, or sorry, you can only work here if you don't smoke.

Discrimination or what?

i also agree with jay gee that we should have smoking and non smoking pubs, it's my swan song again about us
"HAVING CHOICE".

Let's have catholics and protestants.

yes i hate smoking but equally hate people being told what they can and can't do by anoracks. simple technology can solve the problem for smokers and non smokers. herbiemercman.

I really can't see what you're wittering on about. Technology can not sort everything out as you say and extractor fans do not clean air as well as you think. I for one do not want other people's smoke in my lungs and I really can't see any problems with people having to smoke outside. If they want to pollute their lungs then they can, but they have to do it in the wind and rain. I really don't care if they get wet.

Actually, just to add powder to the charge, people who take "smoke breaks" whilst at work should also make up that time by working longer hours. It's just blatant skiving!

 

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Even in a room that nobody else uses in a pub, somebody has to serve drinks, serve food, clean. Why the hell should that disgusting habit be forced on somebody who has chosen not to pollute their lungs?

It absolutely stinks!
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I agree with Helen, now smoking is prohibited virtualy everywhere........er why not give up most of the excuses are now gone. After all it KILLS YOU.

 

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Actually, just to add powder to the charge, people who take "smoke breaks" whilst at work should also make up that time by working longer hours. It's just blatant skiving!
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exactly something that seems to be forgotton about where I work.

 

[Alex M Grieve]

Smoking is bad for your health

and this was certainly true for two employees in night clubs, (one in New York, one in Dublin) who were stabbed to death when asking patrons not to smoke.

This subject gets people up to the "red mist" stage in no time flat. Is smoking really the issue, or is it being told what to do, or not to do?

 

[100%Bitch]

and this was certainly true for two employees in night clubs, (one in New York, one in Dublin) who were stabbed to death when asking patrons not to smoke.

This subject gets people up to the "red mist" stage in no time flat. Is smoking really the issue, or is it being told what to do, or not to do?

You're right Alex, it's because people do not like to be told what they can and can't do, even when they know it's right.

Actually, why is a referendum needed?

 

[st4]

Aye we allow smokers an additional break. As I do not smoke and don't get this break I gain it back by spending time on this forum when I should be working

I think making people stand outside like second class citizens is also discrimination if you want to go down the equal opportunities brigade line. They have a habit and rather than try and accomodate it we make them stand outside like second rate people.

Lets change the smoker to a car driver. The same analogy is that (this is aimed at Helen) you can't take your SL55 into certain areas as its a polluter and you have to drive it on specific roads and keep it away from the public as it damages others health with its high CO2 and NOx etc. Think of the poor people that have to walk by your emitting car, think of the people who work in garages and petrol stations that breath in the extra CO2 that you V8 belches out. Thats discrimination against you as you have a high powered car and is treating you like how we treat smokers. Naturally this theory is balls and you should be able to drive your lovely car wherever and whenever you want. In a few years with 0 emmisions zones you'll be treated like a second class citizen and some green prat will be saying the same about a blue SL55, and you won't like it. Now rethink about how smokers are treated.

 

[HERBIEMERCMAN]

hi helen i am not wittering on i am just giving my view like everyone else, wittering on suggests people don't know what they are talking about. not nice. if you disagree please be more specific.

i am reccomending that only smokers go into the extraction rooms, no food, no drinks, no one apart from the smokers. you have also missed the fact that i clearly stated i hate smoking just like you who stopped smoking after presumably damaging many bi-standers when you did smoke.

my solution is simple reserve a room or roof terace for smokers, give 100% guarantee that no fumes reach anywhere else in the building no staff to enter the smoking area.

i must confess that the way things are going we may have much more to worry about than the odd wiff of fag smoke, like swine flu, limited food supplies, water, and to a far leser extent total small island car congestion.

in many terraced house streets in lancashire the fire brigade are taking the side out of many cars due to double parking on each side of many roads and streets when a life visit is in operation.

why are you refered to as 100% bitch? i think you could be a nice blond who is just taking the p----s out of other club members. best wishes. herbiemercman,.