Sprinter Diesel Software update -

[Eric Sciacaluga]

I understand that my 2018 Sprinter has been earmarked for the above update and will probably be offered to me when I take the van to be given a levels check before driving into mainland Europe in October.
I have however been advised by an ex-police technical member that this software will alter the gear change ratios in order to improve emissions but will affect the mpg obtained due to later upward gear changes. (This gentleman also runs a Mercedes Sprinter diesel vehicle and will not be agreeing to it being done on it.)

Any other opinions would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

 

[oigle]

Software CANNOT change gear ratios. Presuming you are talking auto tranny, it can alter the timing of the gear changes. Seems a bit strange that extending the use of lower gears would improve emissions. Certainly could adversely affect economy for the WORSE, so how could that make emissions better??
Most autos are throttle dependent on gear change timing so doubt there would be an issue that you couldn't control yourself.

 

[Tony Dyson]

The last time MB contacted me to make an appointment for the overdue emissions Update, I responded with conditions to be met if I agreed to have the update which were;

1. Diagnostics read and published before any work carried out on car.
2. Diagnostics read and published immediately prior to handover back to customer after completion of update.
3. A 12 Month comprehensive warranty on all Emissions mitigating components and related sensors .(Most important)

And unsurprisingly, that was the last I ever heard from them!

The diesel emissions update, contrary to some opinions on the forum is most definitely NOT mandatory in the UK, the DVLA don't give a fig about what Daimler-Benz are attempting to achieve in Germany, where it is, otherwise it would be published on the DVLA website as an outstanding recall.

 

[mattkh]

........ the DVLA don't give a fig about what Daimler-Benz are attempting to achieve in Germany,

Thanks to the ease in travelling to Europe thru the tunnel, DBenz are banking on your Mercedes being used on the roads in Europe on a business/holiday trip.

 

[Tony Dyson]

Thanks to the ease in travelling to Europe thru the tunnel, DBenz are banking on your Mercedes being used on the roads in Europe on a business/holiday trip.

Well it's a thought? but the tunnel and ferries mainly go into France, Belgium, Holland, and Spain, travel directly to Germany from the UK is limited, the order was imposed onto Daimler Benz by the KBA, the German equivalent of the DVLA, so there is no requirement outside Germany, it wasn't supported by the DVLA from 2017 until we left the EU in Jan 2020, so I wouldn't think any other EU country would have specifically legislated for it. I will of course stand corrected on that last statement though?
It's my considered opinion that Daimler Benz have been attempting to impose their "Mandatory Update" outside of Germany in efforts to mitigate their worldwide liability in the plethora of pending class actions against them for their part in the software emissions defeat programmes written in their Engine Management software.

 

[Eric Sciacaluga]

I have just been advised that my 2018 Sprinter is ineligible for the Emissions Group Litigation which the company is pursuing.
My vehicle fully qualified with their criteria when they first took up my case and no reasons for the ineligibility has been given.

My only thoughts would be that the Sprinter is the base vehicle for a German made motorhome/camper conversion and perhaps it has not been imported via the official MB UK channels and imported directly by Motorhome dealerships.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Blobcat]

I have just been advised that my 2018 Sprinter is ineligible for the Emissions Group Litigation which the company is pursuing.
My vehicle fully qualified with their criteria when they first took up my case and no reasons for the ineligibility has been given.

My only thoughts would be that the Sprinter is the base vehicle for a German made motorhome/camper conversion and perhaps it has not been imported via the official MB UK channels and imported directly by Motorhome dealerships.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Is this some ambulance chasing scumbag lawyer firm who'll get their cut no matter which way the dice rolls?

 

[mioba]

According to the MB recall site, my W251 is up for the emmisions recall. it clearly states its voluntary.

Your vehicle is affected by this voluntary service measure. You will receive further details from us, unprompted, about the specific process as soon as the recall campaign begins. Your Mercedes-Benz Service Partner is prepared for the necessary action and will be happy to answer any questions. If you have any queries you are welcome to contact us on 00 800 12 777 777.

I do like the idea by Tony Dyson (above), duly noted.

I also have a Takata airbag recall open, not heard anything from MB on that for 6 months.

 

[Eric Sciacaluga]

Is this some ambulance chasing scumbag lawyer firm who'll get their cut no matter which way the dice rolls?

If it is they have wasted 18 months of their time for no reward at all.

 

[LostKiwi]

According to the MB recall site, my W251 is up for the emmisions recall. it clearly states its voluntary.

Your vehicle is affected by this voluntary service measure. You will receive further details from us, unprompted, about the specific process as soon as the recall campaign begins. Your Mercedes-Benz Service Partner is prepared for the necessary action and will be happy to answer any questions. If you have any queries you are welcome to contact us on 00 800 12 777 777.

I do like the idea by Tony Dyson (above), duly noted.

I also have a Takata airbag recall open, not heard anything from MB on that for 6 months.

Ours also has an outstanding recall.
Will have to find time to get it done immediately as we have warranty on the car so any issues can be handled by them

Obviously I'll be doing a full scan before we leave the dealer and it will be subject to a Star session as soon as it's home

 

[kotecki]

Our Sprinter falls into this fire chasing lawyer scam but I have never been concerned about the economy of our 'stretched limo' I like the vehicle, I like the performance, and am I prepared to give the 'prostitutes' 40% of any money, I may or may not receive? They can kiss my proverbial, or.... They can go forth and sexually multiply

 

[Botus]

I have however been advised by an ex-police technical member that this software will alter the gear change ratios in order to improve emissions but will affect the mpg obtained due to later upward gear changes. (This gentleman also runs a Mercedes Sprinter diesel vehicle and will not be agreeing to it being done on it.)

Any other opinions would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

the days of if you want to know the time ask a policeman, has changed. These days its would be better to ask how to rape someone, they know more about that than motor vehicles.

these vehicles have so many deliberate software flaws on the engine management systems it would be best to remove them asap. having an opportunity to move to the current mess offered is something all owners should take up. And I'm not even going on the route of legality and or emission need.

Nearly all Merc diesel fail to complete a DPG regen correctly, the ad blue forgets what level it is, the outside temp fiddle throws that display in tail spin both of which may impact the interior AC and the engine management performance.

The DPF failing to Regen is mainly related to some NOx senors that were never fit for purpose all the way from 2014 to 2020 when they finally gave up and redid all the software after bolting on a third revision of sensor that actually functioned. But for this last iteration to operate, it meant a major rewrite of the engine map, the emission control system (SCR) and resetting the engine optimisation "adaptions"

Its both the adaption reset and subsequently a DPF regen, than makes the car appear to behave differently and use more fuel post update. Give it 200 miles and so long as its got v3 NOx sensors and the current software, it will never have driven as well or have such good life expectancy....

 

[supernoodle]

NOx sensors are there, pre and post SCR brick, to monitor the NOx conversion efficiency. They are not used for controlling DPF regen.

 

[kotecki]

the days of if you want to know the time ask a policeman, has changed. These days its would be better to ask how to rape someone, they know more about that than motor vehicles.

Yup, Par for the course...
Clearly you have never heard the term 'rotten apple' and you just have to come out with this remark..

Hang on, I am willing to bet even you would know how to rape someone? So are you a rapist??

I guess we should all avoid letting a paramedic come near us... Link

Whatever you do, do NOT go to your doctor link

Finally, the last of the many examples that have sadly been committed by folks we must trust....

Do not send our children to school as all teachers are murderers link

It is sadly a fact that in life there is ALWAYS going to be that 'rotten apple' No matter what profession, but hey, let's not let the truth interfere with your crass remark. All my examples are of people we should all trust and a 'Rotten Apple' should not ruin this trust that we must have for their professions.

Apologies for going off-topic but I will not sit back and let silly people make silly remarks

 

[Botus]

Hang on,

its great that you haven't worked out what the matrix movvie was telling us 21 years ago...

 

[Botus]

NOx sensors are there, pre and post SCR brick, to monitor the NOx conversion efficiency. They are not used for controlling DPF regen.

100% directly maybe not, but my understanding, if any part of the emission control system isn't performing its bit correctly, the knock on is often incomplete/ unsuccessful DPF regens or associated issues