Thoughts on banning Petrol, diesel & hybrid vehicles by 2035

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Can't I just keep my car a plant a few trees - or get someone in a third world country to do it for me? :)

Trouble is there is a huge catch up to do after the Aussie Bush fires :(:(
 

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. and having said that Tesla would consolidate its gains, I am also convinced that Tesla is riding the 'dot-com' effect.
Remember when anything with 'dot-com' at the end of its title was automatically worth buying because it could only go up?

Tesla's riding the same wave. Its stock is rocketing right now, causing all sorts of financial headaches for investors who've been caught with their pants down, but it will bomb when reality hits.

Elon better bank his winnings while he can.

Hmmm. Tesla is selling extremely well. Apparently mercedes sold a whole 55 eq electric thingys in germany in the past year and has now suspended production. Its far to expensive for the least range. The jag and audi are similarly poor as they all seem to be fixated on these huge heavy suv,s. Tesla apparently sells more ev,s than all the other brands put together.
The tesla packs far more kw/ per kg of battery than anyone else can get close to and its model 3 is not really more expensive than a nissan leaf or most of the other average sized cars, and then there is the sheer performance of tesla which no one seems to be able to match in any form.
I thought the mainstream motor manufacturers would destroy tesla as they know how to build a great car so an electric one should not be that difficult
Can see the possibility of tesla becoming a major battery supplier to eveyone else ?
In 15 years time the government may do some huge u turns so i would take all their claims of this and that happening by such and such a date with a pinch of salt.
 

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How green is your “green” energy?

Hmmm...
 

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Still probably greener than alternatives and that's what really matters.
Unfortunately not... difficult to integrate into the grid due to unpredictability of wind... Which is one reason so many are sat not running. Hydro and solar much better as more predictable and in the case in the case of hydro it rains most in the winter when electrical demand is highest.
 

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Unfortunately not... difficult to integrate into the grid due to unpredictability of wind... Which is one reason so many are sat not running. Hydro and solar much better as more predictable and in the case in the case of hydro it rains most in the winter when electrical demand is highest.
Still manages to provide 28% of UK energy requirements on average.
 

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With so many different country's developing various power sources such as a virtually unlimited battery from spent nuclear fuel its surely only a matter of time before we have a power source that is small, light and extremely powerfull ?
Theres a huge petition (or was) I think originating from Denmark about the noise pollution wind turbines cause in the sea..
Apparently it kills all the local marine life around wind turbines or drives it away due to the noise pollution caused !
Solar dies a death on cloudy days..
One article said we need at least 20 times more building of wind and solar in a year just to advance .
Come 5pm on a rainy winters evening when people get home from work and cook etc there is no solar and possibly no wind, therefore we are not even close to supporting ourselves with green energy. The article I read said the only current way to overcome this was battery storage but the cost due to the sheer size was more than double a new nuclear powerstation whilst needing a crazy sized area to house all the battery's.
 

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The possibility of harnessing our tidal energy is so attractive. One benefit of being an island. It will require massive investment, but it's surely our most reliable source of supply, long-term,
 

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Wind farms are an unsightly noisy nuisance but they are relatively simple and cheapish to install.
As always on a cold still winter day they become expensive ornaments.

Telling a two or three car household to go electric is a farce, we need to be honest with ourselves electric cars are useful for some but they aren't a panacea for our green transport aspirations.

When all the manufacturers start churning them out the infrastructure problems will be laid bare.
 

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The all electric HGV problem.
44 tonnes max laden weight.
Travel approx 500 miles per day, every day
Most of this weight limit would be taken up by the huge heavy batteries required to power it
Hardly any weight left for actual goods so would need 10X more electric trucks than ICE trucks to deliver same amount of goods
Travel most of the time on motorways & shaped like a brick ....constant speed very bad for electric economy.
 

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The all electric HGV problem.
44 tonnes max laden weight.
Travel approx 500 miles per day, every day
Most of this weight limit would be taken up by the huge heavy batteries required to power it
Hardly any weight left for actual goods so would need 10X more electric trucks than ICE trucks to deliver same amount of goods
Travel most of the time on motorways & shaped like a brick ....constant speed very bad for electric economy.
Put freight back on the railways... have to travel by rail to the closest station. That would make a difference... very unlikely to happen though as the rail infrastructure isn’t there anymore
 

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Put freight back on the railways... have to travel by rail to the closest station. That would make a difference... very unlikely to happen though as the rail infrastructure isn’t there anymore

Boris may decide that infrastructure projects are his friend. HS2 looks like getting a green light. There's talk of undoing Beeching's slash & burn.
 

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Put freight back on the railways... have to travel by rail to the closest station. That would make a difference... very unlikely to happen though as the rail infrastructure isn’t there anymore
Scrap HS2 and create the infrastructure. Shows how little any detail has actually been considered before the dramatic news headlines are delivered to the public, scareing them half to death.

Another point re- electric power which i have seen commented on in various reviews has been the electric cars inability to deliver good economy on motorways at a constant speed. Constant load drains batteries quickly. No opportunity for re-gen power either.
 

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Put freight back on the railways... have to travel by rail to the closest station. That would make a difference... very unlikely to happen though as the rail infrastructure isn’t there anymore
This is exactly what used to happen in NZ. The law was that if goods could go by rail they had to go by rail. You saw relatively few HGVs on the road between cities and those you did were usually carrying livestock or timber. Everything else went by rail.
 

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This is exactly what used to happen in NZ. The law was that if goods could go by rail they had to go by rail. You saw relatively few HGVs on the road between cities and those you did were usually carrying livestock or timber. Everything else went by rail.
It would make a huge difference, the changes to make it work would be huge though to infrastructure, scheduling and passenger services though. I can’t see it going ahead although I’d like to see it.
 

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No details of weight at all.
It does.
"He also said it was able to hit 60mph in 20.0sec when the trailer is fully loaded with 80,000lb (almost 36 tonnes) of cargo. This beats the average sprint time for diesel-powered rivals by around 40sec."
 

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Another point re- electric power which i have seen commented on in various reviews has been the electric cars inability to deliver good economy on motorways at a constant speed. Constant load drains batteries quickly. No opportunity for re-gen power either.
No reason constant speed should reduce range. Regen braking only recovers energy already expended and is not 100% efficient. It's not energy for nothing unless your start point is higher than your end point and you aren't making a return journey.
Laws of thermodynamics apply.
 

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