TUGGED BY the POLICE last Friday Lunchtime

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So I get stopped by the police last week for Allegedly speeding in a 40MPH zone.
I was treated like a convicted criminal from get go, I was told my rights before even being told
What I had allegedly done. I was driving my Porsche within the speed limits, as far as I was concerned. And entering into a national speed limit Zone 60MPH I increased my speed accordingly.
I had a friend with me and I was demonstrating the advantages of the active suspension, and showing him how the car cornered flatter with it on than with it not on. I stress I did not go over the speed limit. This was on the A338 to Salisbury road. Though not straight the road was of a nature to make driving more enjoyable. There was no cars in front of me, and there were no overtaking solid white lines in the centre of the road.

Next thing I’ve got blues and twos in my rear view Mirror, I pull over to the next safe spot, as there was no room to safely stop without being a hazard to other drivers.

I then pull up and the single policeman gets out and asks me to accompany him to his Nissan Patrol police car. First He reads me my rights, he then says, is that your car? He then checks insurance MOT etc...He then says do you know what speed I was doing?
I said no more than 60Mph. He says well I had to really accelerate to catch you up so I think you might have been doing a bit more. He went on and said do you know what the speed limit is at Ibsley I said yes 40mph. He says well I think you were speeding through there. I looked quizzically at him. He said the speed limit is up to the bride on the left-hand side after you pass the Old beams Pub, and you were speeding prior to that. (I’m thinking very unlikely as there is a hard left hand turn prior to the short distance to the bridge, I was aware of the speed limit through there and I only accelerated after I had passed that point in question.
I maintained I was driving within the speed limits of the land. Well to cut a long story short after breathalysing me, after asking had I had anything to drink, had I smoked anything and had I used mouth wash in the last Half hour to which I replied no on all counts, I hadn’t drunk anything for about six weeks, I don’t smoke, and I hadn’t used a mouth wash since first thing that morning, the results showed a big fat ZERO. He went on and said luckily for me I can handle this with a fixed penalty fine. I WAS NOT SHOWN PROOF OF MY ALLEGED SPEEDING OFFENSE, SUCH AS VIDEO FOOTAGE OR PHOTOs. Do they not have to do this?? He said I could choose to take it to court of course, but you could risk being fined up to £1000 and incur six points on my license.

My only comment was you the last time I was pulled over by the Police was 25 years ago, and that was in my first Porsche, can’t help feeling there is a connection here. :rolleyes:

He issued me a ticket and I was told to surrender my license at Ringwood Police station.

I can’t help feeling this was entrapment, and I was given a fine because of what I was driving, no more than that. So what if the car accelerates quickly, albeit I did so within the speed limits. It’s hardly surprising he couldn’t keep up, a Nissan Patrol has the handling of an Ocean going Oil Tanker, and would be useless around the roads on which I we were travelling, which though not particularly challenging, you would need a reasonably well sorted car to maintain 50-60mph safely.

Thoughts anyone?? Should I take it to court or just take the unjustified slap and three points. (up until now I have a clean license and I feel pretty aggrieved to be honest). :mad:
 

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What was the ticket/fixed penalty for?

In your shoes if there is no other key events missing from your story I would go to court, as it doesn't sound like you have actually done anything wrong. I would also make a complaint about the officer that gave you a tug. You did get his number??

The best thing to do is anonymously post details of what happened on the www.pepipoo.com forum. There are some good guys on there that give some good advice.
 

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Unjust as it may be, take the fine, because the court WILL side with the policeman.
 
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What was the ticket/fixed penalty for?

In your shoes if there is no other key events missing from your story I would go to court, as it doesn't sound like you have actually done anything wrong. I would also make a complaint about the officer that gave you a tug. You did get his number??

The best thing to do is anonymously post details of what happened on the www.pepipoo.com forum. There are some good guys on there that give some good advice.

Allegedly speeding, that I maintain I wasn't :(

Yes I was going down to see the desk SGNT tomorrow about the police officer in question.
Thanks for the info;)
 
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Unjust as it may be, take the fine, because the court WILL side with the policeman.

Thtat is kind of what I'm thinking :mad:
And why do they always seem to talk like you are retarded???
 

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Allegedly speeding, that I maintain I wasn't :(

So the evidence is, he had to "accelerate" to catch up with you and "thought" you were speeding. I fail to see how that would stand up in court. Even if he was driving directly along side you and his speedo was reading an indicate 70mph that isn't evidence. Of course if you were doing the speed limit and he was a distance behind you he would have to accelerate.

As far as I understand it even if you get caught on one of the cameras within the patrol cars, if it doesn't have a calibration certificate valid for that day then it cannot be used. This is where they guys on the forum I have posted the link to will be able to fill you in on all the legalities and etc.
 

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If your report is accurate ie "well I think you were speeding through there" and "I think you might have been doing a bit more" then this can't go anywhere - as far as I understand, they have to be absolutely specific as to the nature and degree of offence ie "Your speed was Xmph in a Ymph zone" - "speeding" per se is a totally subjective term.

If I were you (and I must add that sometimes I do exhibit a death wish!) I would take my documents to the local plod and act the totally indignant innocent victim and demand a written retraction of any claimed charges - and don't "surrender" anything - even if you were speeding, they don't physically take your licence (unless the rules have changed recently) - you only have to take it as proof that it exists
 

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It seems to me that they could be sure of how fast you were going for they would haver told you at the time exactly where you broke the limit. In court they would have to produce evidence of where you were speeding and the speed that they recorded, so if this does not exist are they just hoping for a fine out of court
 

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I agree with David and Malcolm......if you are genuinely innocent then you should not ''roll over''. A lone policeman who THINKS you might have been speeding and therefore able to issue fines?????????? Surely we have not degenerated to this?
I cannot believe that the police are not required to produce evidence even if it is a swearing on oath of certain ''facts''.
I would be testing his resolve.

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Unjust as it may be, take the fine, because the court WILL side with the policeman.

but he will need evidence - just saying that he had to speed up to catch the OP is not evidence that the OP was exceeding the speed limit.
 

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but he will need evidence - just saying that he had to speed up to catch the OP is not evidence that the OP was exceeding the speed limit.

Absolutely Alex,, when stopped they will normally tell you that you were doing xxx
 

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Same thing happened to me 10 years ago, Went to court to fight my case, I was 100% not speeding and the two policemen in the patrol car said i was...... All the court asked me was did i know the two policemen, And why would they lie about this, I pushed my point in court and said they did lie and to ask them why....The outcome... It was up to me to prove my case and i had not, The court took the side of the police.......From that day on i lost all respect for the police and i would never trust them again......I was also driving a Porsche.
 

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The traffic officer does not need any special equipment as he can just use his speedo. He corroborates his own suspicion. He will lay it on thick implying you were speeding in more than one location hoping you will just accept his ticket. If you challenge it, he will provide sufficient details in his statement for the Court, much of which will be implausible, physically impossible and lies. But this will not matter one iota because the Magistrates will just say his evidence is credible and you will be convicted. The normal rules of innocent until proven guilty or beyond all reasonable doubt will not apply to your motoring offence.

The problem is not with the lying police officer. He is probably an idiot. But the system allows him to get away with it. The Magistrates are generally pompous self important twits who don't understand the law. They see their job as supporting the police. The go home with a warm fuzzy feeling because they have helped the police with their very difficult duties.

Perjury is one of the most serious offences on the criminal calendar but this is still not enough to deter officers from perjuring themselves. This is because they get away with it and their local forces who are charged with investigating an officer's conduct will not properly investigate any complaint.

Until the public is motivated to complain in sufficient numbers, nothing will change. There are already three people on this short thread who have had similar experiences. Try to look at it as a revenue raising activity with it being your turn to pay. Twice in 25 years isn't too bad is it?
 
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It seems to me that they could be sure of how fast you were going for they would haver told you at the time exactly where you broke the limit. In court they would have to produce evidence of where you were speeding and the speed that they recorded, so if this does not exist are they just hoping for a fine out of court

Think you hit the nail on the head tere Malcolm, It all just sucks, I can't help thinking of a quote from an old next door neigbour of mine who used to be a traffic cop, he retired about 10 years ago because it was all about scores on doors, how many people or drivers in this case, have you nicked?:( Have you reached your quota.
No such thing as grey areas or element of doubt or a warning these days. :(:(
 

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Am I dreaming or am I right that a single policeman cannot do you for speeding as he has no witness ???? if you pay up nothing has to be proved
 

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....."well I had to really accelerate to catch you up so......" is no proof of exceeding the speed limit.

Can anyone on this forum honestly tell the exact speed of a passing car whilst standing on the pavement? :Oops:
 
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Same thing happened to me 10 years ago, Went to court to fight my case, I was 100% not speeding and the two policemen in the patrol car said i was...... All the court asked me was did i know the two policemen, And why would they lie about this, I pushed my point in court and said they did lie and to ask them why....The outcome... It was up to me to prove my case and i had not, The court took the side of the police.......From that day on i lost all respect for the police and i would never trust them again......I was also driving a Porsche.

Spooky that re Porsche, I can see a pattern here ;)
I can certainly se your point here, I just think its about scores on doors and I'll do as I look like I won't miss £60 being that I can afford to drive a Porsche/Mercedes or whatever.:(
 
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Try to look at it as a revenue raising activity with it being your turn to pay. Twice in 25 years isn't too bad is it?

Yeah but it's the injustice that hacks me off, I don't mind if it's a fair cop, but this simply wasn't.:(
 

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