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truthfindergeneral

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'http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/135556/Road-risk-to-deprived-area-children'....

'"We've cut the number of child pedestrians killed or seriously hurt on the roads by 57% since the mid-1990s - that means 76 fewer deaths and 2,307 fewer serious injuries in a year. But the death of even one child is one too many and we will continue working to cut this terrible toll.'.

So are they saying that they will prevent even one death ?
Kids in so called deprived areas, are more likely to be knifed to death, die of a drugs related issue or die whilst larking about on the railway or a factory roof, or suffer from being involved in UTMV.

Funny though, it's the ones where road users are involved where we see the same old ' more restrictions needed " crap - ''The report, entitled Improving Road Safety For Pedestrians And Cyclists In Great Britain, also called for schemes to reduce speed, including the use of speed cameras, 20mph zones and road humps. ''

As for this bit ' Commenting on the report, the committee's chairman, Edward Leigh, said: "The department has now identified the scale of the mismatch - some 230,000 casualties were reported to the police in 2008 against an estimated true figure of around 800,000. It is extremely important that the department now devise a formula for adjusting the police data so that we get a more accurate picture each year of the department's progress against its targets." ''

Well it reads to me as ' lets keep fiddling the figure to make it appear every bit as bad as we claim it is, other wise we'll be in danger of running out of sticks to beat the motorist with '
 

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The Goverment adjust all the other figures, immigration, debt etc so why not motoring as well. They say there are over 2,000,000 drivers with no insurance and tax and that they know where they are. So why dont they go and harass them and leave ordinary people alone. Barry
 

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'http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/135556/Road-risk-to-deprived-area-children'....

'"We've cut the number of child pedestrians killed or seriously hurt on the roads by 57% since the mid-1990s - that means 76 fewer deaths and 2,307 fewer serious injuries in a year. But the death of even one child is one too many and we will continue working to cut this terrible toll.'.

So are they saying that they will prevent even one death ?
Kids in so called deprived areas, are more likely to be knifed to death, die of a drugs related issue or die whilst larking about on the railway or a factory roof, or suffer from being involved in UTMV.

Funny though, it's the ones where road users are involved where we see the same old ' more restrictions needed " crap - ''The report, entitled Improving Road Safety For Pedestrians And Cyclists In Great Britain, also called for schemes to reduce speed, including the use of speed cameras, 20mph zones and road humps. ''

As for this bit ' Commenting on the report, the committee's chairman, Edward Leigh, said: "The department has now identified the scale of the mismatch - some 230,000 casualties were reported to the police in 2008 against an estimated true figure of around 800,000. It is extremely important that the department now devise a formula for adjusting the police data so that we get a more accurate picture each year of the department's progress against its targets." ''

Well it reads to me as ' lets keep fiddling the figure to make it appear every bit as bad as we claim it is, other wise we'll be in danger of running out of sticks to beat the motorist with '

Let us look at it the other way. Let us consider the numbers of injuries and fatalities as a function of the number of drivers, or the number of vehicle miles, or the number of person miles.

Taken as a percentage of these, a reduction in the number of fatalities by 76 is clearly good luck - nothing else. This is what statisticians call "the play of chance".

That is, unless the Transport Secretary feels he can adjust the world at the 4th place of decimal, and there is no evidence to support such a ludicrous idea.

Reductions in incidents are more likely to be because of congestion (low speed collisions, less risk of injury/death) and all the masses of passive safety put in to vehicles (crumple zones, seat belts, air bags, etc).

Those being killed are principally from the ranks of those disregarding the limits or the signs - or they are the victims of this group.

People who drive correctly do not have "accidents" - and they even manage to avoid those who do not drive correctly.

Politicians and honest, transparent, meaningful data do not go together.
 
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You could argue that kids in ' deprived areas " are more likely to be on the streets far more than kids in non ' deprived " areas and on those streets more often late at night due to disinterest of their parents.
Two options one cover the area in speed humps, speed cameras and other such devices or two , work to stop young kids roaming the streets late at night .
Which course of action do you think would be chosen ?
 

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......You could argue that kids in ' deprived areas " are more likely to be on the streets far more than kids in non ' deprived " areas and on those streets more often late at night due to disinterest of their parents.

I think you have hit the nail on the head there! It is just political correctness gone mad! Of course if more kids are roaming the streets for longer in certain areas there is going to be more accidents.

They blame obesity on 'deprived' areas also, nothing to do with fact that they are to lazy to buy and cook proper food ie veg which would work out cheaper than them trundling down to the kebab shop in their slippers.
 

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The Goverment adjust all the other figures, immigration, debt etc so why not motoring as well. They say there are over 2,000,000 drivers with no insurance and tax and that they know where they are. So why dont they go and harass them and leave ordinary people alone. Barry

You're right about the adjusting. I totally disbelieve that figure - it is being wielded lately as a herald to even more oppressive measures I think.
 

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You are right, you always have to be careful when looking at statistics as they are always open to interpretation and if it is someone's best interest they may be able to put a spin on it that isn't really reflective of the truth of the situation. That said, I do think that stats do help us see patterns and trends in behaviours etc, which can be really useful, so its not like we should give up on them just yet. Just always read with an open mind
 

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The government are desperate for us to drive slower.
They cannot afford to repair the roads.
 

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why not go back to teaching these kids to "STOP, LOOK and LISTEN" to make sure no cars are coming before crossing the road? all they do now is think they own the roads, walking out in front of cars, even thinking its fun to make cars take evasive action! no wonder there are so many injuries etc. and this lack of respect for road users probably explains some of the poor drivers that are around as these kids get older.
 

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100% spot on TurboPete..
Its nothing to do with speed..
It all to do with revenue as is the so called green tax !
 


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