V12 running only on right side (M137 in a 2001 CL600) / CSO always active?

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I've got a CL600 from 2001 with the NA engine.
I've been fixing a bunch of issues recently to get it back on the road since I abandoned it on my parents drive for 3 years.

However, I currently have an issue were it doesn't use the left bank of cylinders (7-12) at all. It's down on power, the exhaust is cold and I can see in the Autel that the O2 sensors, fuel injectors and camshaft sensor are all in a sort of off state. There are no DTC trouble codes in the computer at all. (well apart from a Distronic error). I've been struggling to work this out. The car behaves as if CSO (cylinder deactivation) is active and all is well in the world, like that's how it intended. No amount of throttle or changes to other inputs get the left bank to start.

Today a friend mentioned the right signal acquisition module that sits next to the ECU. I replaced this module with a used one from eBay because my fuse box was corroded to hell and some of the SAM pins also were. Everything else controlled by that SAM works well so I never thought to check if it needs coding. However I am now told that it does - although I got the identical part number (A0315451732), the software is specific to the car its installed into from new?

So here's the question, could a mismatched right SAM unit cause my left bank of cylinders not to fire?
Or do you have any other ideas as to what could cause this?

I'm thinking that the ECU might be commanding that side on, but if the SAM came from a v8 say, that signal might to get to the left bank, and so the default state might be off rather than on? As far as I can see in WIS there are no dedicated fuses or relays for CSO in that fuse box. Only the ECU dedicated ones.

I can get it coded, but only at a MB stealer for the princely sum of £260 for the 30 minutes it will take, so I am reluctant to do that on a gamble because at the moment everything else works.

I can't correlate the failure of the left bank to the SAM change or any other meaningful event purely in time, because the car was not being used. It's sat for 3 years and last time I parked it I had a bunch of errors, one being some misfire codes that I didn't want to get into 3 years ago.

Here's a pic of it squeezed into my back yard. Soooo dirty!
 

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I've got a CL600 from 2001 with the NA engine.
I've been fixing a bunch of issues recently to get it back on the road since I abandoned it on my parents drive for 3 years.

However, I currently have an issue were it doesn't use the left bank of cylinders (7-12) at all. It's down on power, the exhaust is cold and I can see in the Autel that the O2 sensors, fuel injectors and camshaft sensor are all in a sort of off state. There are no DTC trouble codes in the computer at all. (well apart from a Distronic error). I've been struggling to work this out. The car behaves as if CSO (cylinder deactivation) is active and all is well in the world, like that's how it intended. No amount of throttle or changes to other inputs get the left bank to start.

Today a friend mentioned the right signal acquisition module that sits next to the ECU. I replaced this module with a used one from eBay because my fuse box was corroded to hell and some of the SAM pins also were. Everything else controlled by that SAM works well so I never thought to check if it needs coding. However I am now told that it does - although I got the identical part number (A0315451732), the software is specific to the car its installed into from new?

So here's the question, could a mismatched right SAM unit cause my left bank of cylinders not to fire?
Or do you have any other ideas as to what could cause this?

I'm thinking that the ECU might be commanding that side on, but if the SAM came from a v8 say, that signal might to get to the left bank, and so the default state might be off rather than on? As far as I can see in WIS there are no dedicated fuses or relays for CSO in that fuse box. Only the ECU dedicated ones.

I can get it coded, but only at a MB stealer for the princely sum of £260 for the 30 minutes it will take, so I am reluctant to do that on a gamble because at the moment everything else works.

I can't correlate the failure of the left bank to the SAM change or any other meaningful event purely in time, because the car was not being used. It's sat for 3 years and last time I parked it I had a bunch of errors, one being some misfire codes that I didn't want to get into 3 years ago.

Here's a pic of it squeezed into my back yard. Soooo dirty!
I'm not familiar with the 215 but could not the symptons be the result of the failure of the lhs coil pack? The lhs coil pack failed on our 216 at 15000 miles. I would be getting a detailed diagnosis on Star at a reputable indie before throwing expensive parts darts at the issue.
 
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I'm not familiar with the 215 but could not the symptons be the result of the failure of the lhs coil pack? The lhs coil pack failed on our 216 at 15000 miles. I would be getting a detailed diagnosis on Star at a reputable indie before throwing expensive parts darts at the issue.
Indeed, it’s possible. Also the voltage regulator thingy could be at fault. But no codes on my autel is strange. And like you say, I’m reluctant to just throw parts at it, especially when we are not talking about £50.
. I have found one Indy near me that can work on older cars like this so might pop up there Monday to see what they can see.
 
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Where are you based, maybe we can recommend a good Indy near where you are rather than going to the stealers
Dorset, UK
Headlands Garage just outside Salisbury is the only one I found so far but I can travel further with it on the trailer.
 

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Indeed, it’s possible. Also the voltage regulator thingy could be at fault. But no codes on my autel is strange. And like you say, I’m reluctant to just throw parts at it, especially when we are not talking about £50.
. I have found one Indy near me that can work on older cars like this so might pop up there Monday to see what they can see.
Dorset, UK
Headlands Garage just outside Salisbury is the only one I found so far but I can travel further with it on the trailer.
On an issue like you have I would only be going to one of the recommended indies above particularly if you are able to trailer the car. Don't know if the 215 coilpacks are similar to the 216 ones but to give you an idead the cost on mine for the failed one was £1600 plus fitting.
 

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I do not know, but my instinct is that the lack of coding for the SAM might cause issues with options fitted to the car, not something like an entire bank of the engine not firing.

I doubt MB will code the used SAM for you, they will insist on selling you a new one and coding that to your car.
 

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@JBell @AMGeed your neck of the woods (well at least you’re closest) , any ideas?
If you don’t mind going towards Bristol then there is @Steve@Avantgarde though I know it’s a little bit of a run to there from where you are

I use Coverdale 2 in Newton Abbot, prob not much in it distance wise to Steve
 

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Headlands Garage just outside Salisbury is the only one I found so far but I can travel further with it on the trailer.

I would give MBS, Southampton a call. highly recommended on here. Sorted my SL aircon last year, For your era of car, they are perfect, I would say.
 

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I can recommend the following, in order. (Not used the last one)

Star-Tech Poole.

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^ As above, MBS are a good indy but just outside Dorset.

I can recommend the following, in order. (Not used the last one)

Star-Tech Poole.

Richard Hamilton in Corfe Mullen.

Project AMG Ringwood.
Thanks
Both Project AMG and Startec said they don't have the software for older Mercs. I think it was anything older than 2010.

I have however found at least one issue that needs solving before we go any further with things like the SAM module.
That issue is the voltage transformer thingy... it is indeed dead on the left. It must have been intermittent before because I had the requisite 180v on one of the pins but someone sent me the exact steps to test from Xentry and we confirmed that its failed on the left.

I've ordered a Boost Box as a replacement from Clark Rupp on v12icpack.com

Hopefully thats my only problem!

For any that are interested I put the test steps on this post >> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/v...37-in-a-2001-cl600-cso-always-active.3145155/
 

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Both Project AMG and Startec said they don't have the software for older Mercs. I think it was anything older than 2010.

I have however found at least one issue that needs solving before we go any further with things like the SAM module.
That issue is the voltage transformer thingy... it is indeed dead on the left. It must have been intermittent before because I had the requisite 180v on one of the pins but someone sent me the exact steps to test from Xentry and we confirmed that its failed on the left.

I've ordered a Boost Box as a replacement from Clark Rupp on v12icpack.com

Hopefully thats my only problem!

For any that are interested I put the test steps on this post >> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/v...37-in-a-2001-cl600-cso-always-active.3145155/
Never used them myself but Clark Rupp does seem to have a good reputation and come up with much improved solutions to the failure of seemingly poor designs of the coilpacks and their control equipment. I'm sure I read on his site that a failing coilpack can damage the voltage transformer. Good luck with this annoying problem.
 
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So the latest here is Clark's unit arrived. Nice box and took only 4 days from the US.
The problem is ... I still have a problem.
His box looks to be operating and all the lights are steady on which is what I want, but I still have no action on the left.

I'm now thinking wires or ECU. Unless the right SAM is playing a part we are unaware of because it is out of a diesel S500 I think, so if it is part of the system controlling the engine, it won't know about CSO / ZAS. All my ancillaries work well though even with it being from a different car.

I can still do the Xentry scan with a local specialist also and see if that pops up anything so will probably give that a pop for £60.
 

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We love a V12 round ours (5 in ATM!) but we might be a bit far?

When I get 5, I'll read through the thread and see if I can add my 5p
 
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We love a V12 round ours (5 in ATM!) but we might be a bit far?

When I get 5, I'll read through the thread and see if I can add my 5p
Not that far away if you have the answer :) lol. Tomorrow I’ll continue going through all the wires to see if I can find more corrosion anywhere and report back.
 
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Sort update here. I have been to see a specialist with the proper tool to work on this older Merc - I believe it has a K-line network not CanBus which might be why some other independents said no.

Anyway we have learnt two things ...
  1. My Autel MS908S see's just as much information as his STAR tool can. So we know my data is good and I'm not missing anything on the DTC front.
  2. The chief there, a mechanic of 43 years said to go after the camshaft sensor first. That is showing no signal. I've already tried a new sensor, so I am looking at wiring specifically and using a diagram he printed for me. I'll upload it here later for reference. (I could not get the Web ETM link above to show me much other than blank screens). That seams obvious but I had no signal and other odd readings from all sensors on that left side, so I didn't know where to start. He said if that has no signal it is likely just shutting down that side. However why we have no codes set for it... still a mystery.
.... best get back to it
 

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So there are NO DTCs present but you say there is no cam signal. How are you determining no cam signal, as this should log a fault code.
 
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So there are NO DTCs present but you say there is no cam signal. How are you determining no cam signal, as this should log a fault code.
Correct. I can see in live data on the Autel that it is expecting a cam signal on both sides but only getting it on the right side.
There are 0 DTC's in any systems.
I have checked power and ground at the sensor by back probing the connector. I've also checked the resistance on the signal wire is acceptable so no corrosion. I checked the signal at the ECU connector with a scope and got a consistent 5v-0v square wave (see attached). I depinned the ECU connector and made sure that the pin in question was making good contact.

The ECU had a tiny bit of corrosion by one of the capacitors but thats all inside but I have carefully cleaned that away. There is no obvious remaining damage.
 

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As you have proven there is a cam signal, I would suspect an issue with live data on the autel.

This is a DAS (diag) car so most mb indies should be able to read it easily.

What does das show for actual values on this sensor?
 


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