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W202. HIDs

Discussion in 'Electrics, Vacuum, Ignition and ECU' started by taxii, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. taxii

    taxii Senior Member

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    Is it possible to retrofit HIDs to the w202? Ive got them on my FTO and it gets through the new mot regs by being very low and its still a bit of a grey area for them so they err on the customers side but I wouldnt mind them on the merc and have noticed it has the headlight level adjuster on the dash so is it fitted with self leveling as stated in the new mot regs and will I have to retro fit washers as well. If I have to fit the washers then Im pretty sure Ive seen bumpers for the 202 on Fleabay breaking with them on so could just put one on and either put another bottle under the dash or take a feed off the washer bottle but its whether the electrics will take a conversion that worried me. HAs anyone done one and if so is there a guide?
    Cheers
     
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    Yes it's a minefield and dependent on MOT station interpretation of the rules.
    The manual adjuster won't count towards self levelling.

    The OEM system has sensors to detect how level the vehicle is and motors in the headlamps to change the beam angle.

    There are also issues with beam pattern and whether it causes dazzle.

    Headlamp washers may need a new washer reservoir as well as pipework, nozzles and bumper. Please be aware that the nozzles from MB cost in the region of £90 so you should look at pricing up second hand ones before you start to look att this.
     
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    Yup the new regs are def a minefield. I was lucky with the FTO but looking at the print out the testers get it can be very confusing as it's not worded very clearly. I was told by a couple of testers that as long as it still passes a beam test then it's a pass but that was on the FTO so not sure about the merc. Im thinking it should just be a little wiring and screw the ballasts to the car and put the new bulbs in. I suppose I could always take them out and put the standards back in come mot time.
     
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    Please don't join that growing crowd of selfish, inconsiderate drivers who fit HiD bulbs into light units designed for halogen and end up dazzling the rest of us!!
    If you are going to do it, do it properly by fitting the OEM parts.
     
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    if you git the complete headlight unit with washers then the aim will be spot on, you can fit the levelling also if you want to.
    i retrofitted everything bar the levelling on my C36 , it already had the washers and i used the manual levelling for when the car was loaded
     
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    Also bear in mind that if you are putting hid without washer, you will fail your MOT as new and tougher regulations will be in place shortly. A lot of drivers who have HID will have serious issues with their cars when MOT is due...
     
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    Hi,
    I have retro fitted OEM Xenons to my AMG including the self levelling.
    You have manual levelling headlights, if you had auto levelling there would not be a dial.
    Headlight Wash/Wipe (HWW) can be very easily retro fitted though, you do not have to replace the bumper, just the two trim panels immediatly under the headlights, a new pump and grommet for the washer bottle, wiper motors x2 c/w wiper arms and blades, and a relay and wiring loom. The only thing I bought new was the relay and the loom, relay because I did,nt know which one it was to take from a scrap car, and the loom as these can,t be very easily removed as they are incorporated into the left side under bonnet loom from the factory.
    I have to agree with Peter on this regarding the lack of consideration for other road users, if you just want better lights why don,t you fit a decent set of Halogen lamps, or even fit later headlights as they changed around 97 I believe.
    If you have a single cover over the lamps at the back of the headlight then your headlights are the earlier type the later type have two covers.
     
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    It depends on the tester. My FTO has just gone through with after market HIDs and no probs as long as the beam patterns ok. The wordings not too good and leaves a lot to the tester to decide. Some I rang said it would fail and some said its down to interpretation so it's more to do with do I need to change the lenses or any electrics. I didn't need to on the FTO but not sure about the 202.
     
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    The OEM Xenon for the 202 was only in the later style headlight, (two covers on the back of the headlight) and does have different glass lens, it "might" even have a different reflector as well.
     
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    So I'm probebly better off forgetting the hids then and just trying to find a really good bulb that will still give me the white daylight glow without having to change the lenses and wiring. Shame as I love the way hids light the road up on the FTO.
     
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    Section 1.7 of the MOT inspection manual states:

    In layman's terms, if you have HIDs fitted there is liklihood that a washer and levelling system will be fitted. If these exist on the vehicle then they must be inspected. If these are not present then thay cannot be tested and therefore no reason for rejection can be given.

    The above is the only mention of HIDs in the MOT inspection manual, no mention of if aftermarket HIDs are fitted then they must have a washer and self-levelling system. Yes you will be doing other motorists a favour by fitting washer jets and automatic self-levelling but they will become an additional item that is inspected by the MOT rules. Currently it is not illegal to fit HIDs without washer jets and self-levelling yourself, it's an EU directive for vehicle manufacturers though.
     
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    Surely it doesn't need to specify whether it's after market or not...it's a requirement.
     
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    Last time I looked, the requirement for self-levelling and headlamp washers was for new cars. Not applicable to retrofits

    If the MOT info quoted above is current, and contains all the info about HIDs, then retrofits are legal

    Nick Froome
     
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    correct glass and reflector is different, glass will have D2R stamped on the bottom
     
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    The following document MOT 2012
    specifies that aftermarket Hids will only be accepted if the car has both headlight washers and a self-levelling system.

    HTH
     
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    ill find out tomorrow, MOT time for my baby
     
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    Good luck mark, they will not even notice
     

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