W220 - ABS/ESP Fail, Speedometer dancing around

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Hi there,
Been a very long time since I visited these parts - happy to see y'all still around, even with a banner ad for each sub-forum ;)

My trusty old W220 320 CDI (post facelift) has received a reanimation-level servicing last month, as it was in a rather sad state for a while. New air strut, front brakes, shiny new steering rack and indeed a new MB OE power steering pump, bushings on the drive shaft... a whole bunch of TLC. Further gradual rectifications are in the works :) Despite it's 20 years it still drives like a dream!

However, a significant Freude Am Fahren-damping condition persists... it received two new Delphi ABS sensors on the front wheels as it had been limping in ABS/ESP fault mode for the better part of a year. For good measure, one front wheel bearing was also replaced.

Post-repairs, on ignition, ABS and ESP report no fault, but the moment one starts driving the following happens:

1) Braking more often than not causes the pedal vibration alert, at least a little;
2) Exceeding the speed by, say, 20 MPH will cause the ABS to disengage/show the ABS/ESP error;

and perhaps most confusingly...

3) Above about 18-20MPH the speedo starts to... dance around... up and down... like, when going 60 KM/h it may very wel jump down to 40 KM/h, and anywhere in between. It does not, it appears, ever display a speed higher than the one driven, only dip down to lower ones. Now - one thing that might be of note: When going 25-55 km/h, the digital speedometer (on the central display) joins the needle in its erratic speed reporting... however above about 75-80, it almost never does.

This tells me that:
- the higher the speed, the more frequent the signal;
- above a certain frequency the digital display (which is a bit... "lazy", so to speak) doesn't bother to display the briefly received erroneous speed;
- it would seem the issue is the computer now and then getting the WRONG signal, rather than NO signal;
- therefore - it is a signal error, not a calculation/processing error.

My most competent mechanic has replaced the ABS sensors (and this did eliminate the "at fault from ignition"-condition the car had previously) but is now suggesting it might be the ESP/ABS computer gone bonkers. I trust the man wholeheartedly, but as per above deductions, I have a measure of doubt about this claim. It's not... expensive to "prove" - a computer can be had for 30 quid and for another, what 40? I can have it reprogrammed by some Dude With A STAR-Laptop.

But it just does not seem to make sese the computer would suddenly kick ze proverbial bucket, and the nature of the issue tentatively suggests other possibilities may be at play. Electrical wiring? Corroded contacts? Warped "funny little metal disk with slits for sensor"...?

What sayeth ye, oh online Oracle of Wisdom of all things Mercedes...?

Also, in another part of town it appears I need to replace my differential, as it is giving me vibrations and sounds/groans of displeasure upon acceleration, up to about ~30-35 MPH, above which they make way for drive train sound-effects unbecoming of a Mercedes.

This is a known/presumed fault so I am not too concerned but what are your experiences with buying cat-in-the-bag replacement differentials...?

Cheers :)
 
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There’s been more than one thread highlighting issues with aftermarket wheel speed sensors giving the wrong signals
 
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Well... it does actually appear that in THIS case it may not be the sensors. I got Delphi, used them before, Mechanic recommends. Meanwhile, however, various new issues have arisen:

- ESP disengages and now and then (1 out of ~8 rides) the speedo stays at ZERO. Interesting thing; the car is basically lost, doesn't shift gear, stays in what ever gear it happened to be;
- Only solution is to stop, shut down, restart.
- After battery removal ESP would, for the first few starts, disengage immediately/report being broken
- As I drive it constantly engages and disengages until it just stops (ABS+ESP dead) and then I can drive like a normal person...
- But speedo keeps jumping up and down.
- I had ONE instance where the speedo stopped jumping (while ESP/ABS was dead) but upon restart went back to its antics :(

Now looking for an ESP computer. Any tips on difficulties/complications with replacing it? :)
 

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Hello, pre facelift s430. I’m having same issue, I replaced wheel bearing hubs 3 months ago. I wouldn’t call it brake pedal vibration. But almost as if I was trying to brake on a very bent wheel. Found out since it wasn’t oem spec, the wheel speed sensors couldn’t read the tone ring on the hub to determine speed. So I cleaned up the old stock MB hubs and searched part numbers on the bearings to get close as OE as possible. Replaced it all followed multiple videos on how to dial in the hubs. Things were going great this last week. Then tragedy struck. Was driving 20mph went to brake and felt the same pedal movement as before. Next day abs esp and airmatic came on dash. Today I was leaving work speedometer was aggressively moving up down to 0 to current speed. Then just stopped working. Got to a light and it wouldn’t shift from 3rd (I presume) to first. Pulled over turned it off back on again. Started working got over 40mph then stopped again. When I got home I always reverse into my parking spot. Couldn’t reverse almost as if shifting to reverse put it in neutral. I’m lost. I’m very new to German cars and only 3 years automotive experience.
 


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