W222 buying advice

[matthew k]

Hi, my father has suddenly decided he wants a W222. Probably a diesel, but I'm not keen on the OM642, so I presume it would need to be a facelift? Any idea on the minium spec, I assume Burmester and surround parking Cameras are pretty essential?

If people could just chuck in any advice/personal experiences that would be great, cheers.

 

[JBell]

What is wrong with the OM642?

 

[matthew k]

What is wrong with the OM642?

I've got one in my W211, it's been very well maintained by the previous owner too. I just don't think it's a great engine TBH, thirsty, difficult to work on with numerous issues around oil seals, actuators, cam chains etc.

A straight 6 is more efficient, sounds better and is easier to work on, plus the turbo is better situated.

 

[JBell]

I've got one in my W211, it's been very well maintained by the previous owner too. I just don't think it's a great engine TBH, thirsty, difficult to work on with numerous issues around oil seals, actuators, cam chains etc.

A straight 6 is more efficient, sounds better and is easier to work on, plus the turbo is better situated.

In 15 years they may have improved it a little

 

[JBell]

A straight 6 is more efficient, sounds better and is easier to work on, plus the turbo is better situated.

S400 is an IL6 IIRC

 

[matthew k]

S400 is an IL6 IIRC

Cheers, that's probably more than he wants to spend, probably looking around the 30-35k mark

 

[Blobcat]

Cheers, that's probably more than he wants to spend, probably looking around the 30-35k mark

You’ll get a nice S500 for that money

 

[JBell]

Cheers, that's probably more than he wants to spend, probably looking around the 30-35k mark

Then an S350d is the choice unless you go down the petrol route.

As Blobcat says an S500 is in range as is the S500 coupe

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-de...om=30000&postcode=tq12lr&model=S CLASS&page=1

 

[matthew k]

Isn't an S500 very thirsty? He's 73 and doesn't drive like an idiot, but I think less than 35 mph on a run would be disappointing.

Plus, what make of tyres would Merecdes have supplied an W222 with?

 

[Blobcat]

Isn't an S500 very thirsty? He's 73 and doesn't drive like an idiot, but I think less than 35 mph on a run would be disappointing.

Should easily get more than 35mph...
Low to mid 30's mpg should also be achievable

I'd pick the 4.7ltr twin turbo V8 over any of the diseasals any day of the week. I'm guessing your father won't be covering 20K miles plus per year so a V8 petrol without any ad-blue or hybrid nonsense would be one fine place to spend your retirement.

S500 with 9,000 miles!

S500 Coupe
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-de...=Petrol&page=1=S500 with just 9000 miles[/url
S500E - 3.0ltr plug in hybrid nonsense

 

[matthew k]

Should easily get more than 35mph...
Low to mid 30's mpg should also be achievable

I'd pick the 4.7ltr twin turbo V8 over any of the diseasals any day of the week. I'm guessing your father won't be covering 20K miles plus per year so a V8 petrol without any ad-blue or hybrid nonsense would be one fine place to spend your retirement.

S500 with 9,000 miles!

S500 Coupe
S500E - 3.0ltr plug in hybrid nonsense

Thanks BC, I saw that. Is the spec a bit weak though?

 

[Blobcat]

Thanks BC, I saw that. Is the spec a bit weak though?

It very much depends upon what he's wanting toys wise, lots of toys are available and there's always quite a few coming to the market. I'd decide on what it as absolute must have then keep searching until one turns up.

 

[matthew k]

It very much depends upon what he's wanting toys wise, lots of toys are available and there's always quite a few coming to the market. I'd decide on what it as absolute must have then keep searching until one turns up.

Is the S500 a good option engine wise? Is that a good unit, I remember how friagile those W220 s600Bi Turbo's were!!

 

[Blobcat]

Is the S500 a good option engine wise? Is that a good unit, I remember how friagile those W220 s600Bi Turbo's were!!

The 4.7ltr bi-turbo is a very good engine - there's quite a few members on here with it
Mercedes has it as the basis for a lot of vehicles now. I'd definitely have one

I wouldn't try one if you want a diesel

 

[JBell]

Plus, what make of tyres would Merecdes have supplied an W222 with?

Whatever they bought cheapest that week

 

[JBell]

I'd pick the 4.7ltr twin turbo V8 over any of the diseasals any day of the week. I'm guessing your father won't be covering 20K miles plus per year so a V8 petrol without any ad-blue or hybrid nonsense would be one fine place to spend your retirement.

This, short journeys will not be good for a 350d, petrol every day

 

[matthew k]

Ok, thanks guys. Time for a think. The S500 is realistically going to average 28-30 mpg, but seems better value. I agree about Adblue and all the other emssion stuff on the diesel.

 

[Blobcat]

Ok, thanks guys. Time for a think. The S500 is realistically going to average 28-30 mpg, but seems better value. I agree about Adblue and all the other emssion stuff on the diesel.

How many miles is he likely to cover per year?

Because I like a nice spreadsheet I've just done a comparison for you based on 110ppl petrol and 118ppl diesel over a few different annual mileages. Not much in it is there...

 

[matthew k]

How many miles is he likely to cover per year?

Because I like a nice spreadsheet I've just done a comparison for you based on 110ppl petrol and 118ppl diesel over a few different annual mileages. Not much in it is there...

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That's very nice of you, cheers!!!!! No, you're right, there's not much in it. Thanks again, I shall speak with him and report back!

 

[LostKiwi]

All it takes is a NOx sensor (and diesels seem to love them) and any savings for a diesel are gone.