What MB 4 pot calipers will fit a W203 C270?

[HelpThisDude]

I Have a lovely looking silver C270 elegance, 2001 W203 with the newer models 17" 'Propeller' type alloys.

But the brakes look a bit 'wuss' behind the open alloy wheel.

I love the look of the newer c class 4 pot calipers on bigger discs, I just wondered if I can fit another models larger discs and 4 pot calipers to my struts?

It would be alot cheaper then a new conversion from the like of AP.

Cheers guys

 

[television]

Unless someone has done it, then its too hard to work out.

Even the C43 has almost the same, yours and the C43 AMG are here, but not that big

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...648716.649&CT=F&cat=65F&SID=42&SGR=030&SGN=01

 

[HelpThisDude]

Thank you for the reply television, It's really appreciated
I guess I’ll have to wait till someone who may have done something similar stumbles across this post, lol
Thanks again.

 

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I saw some plastic stick on covers on Ebay that make them look huge

 

[HelpThisDude]

Still looking into brakes Malc.
I have had some advice from Uncle Benz about the C32AMG calipers. Just not sure if my wheels will fit over them.
I have seen that the sport models seem to have 4pots, and the same wheels as me.
Wonder if they are a easy swap?

 

[television]

The only thing as far as I can see is to check the fixing holes on the hub carrier(knuckle)

The C30 AMG has the same knuckle as you but larger disc and twin pads

Your car
http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...648716.649&CT=F&cat=65F&SID=42&SGR=030&SGN=01

the C30

http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.as...GA=722.642&CT=F&cat=69N&SID=42&SGR=030&SGN=01

 

[HelpThisDude]

Thank you for the reply, would you have one of those diagram/list things for the C class 'sport kit' brakes?

 

[television]

Thank you for the reply, would you have one of those diagram/list things for the C class 'sport kit' brakes?

Just choose a car from the list,then go to front axle and all of the part numbers are shown

 

[S.Speed]

My previous car was a Golf mk V GT Tdi..
I upgraded the brakes all round the the set up off a 2006 Golf GTi Turbo..
I doubt you need axles..
In my case the hardest part was convincing the VW dealer I knew what I was doing and what parts I wanted..
I put larger diameter Discs front and Rear and also the Red Calipers front and rear off the GTi Turbo..

REMEMBER !!! If you are putting larger diameter discs on you will definitely need the Caliper Carriers as well in order for the caliper to clear the larger diameter disc..

You are correct to wonder about if your wheels will fit over the new set up..
My Golf had 17" wheels as standard so I did not need to change the wheels....

HOWEVER.. There were some people who wanted to go the whole hog and upgrade to Discs and Calipers off a Golf R32..
These calipers are monsters and there is no choice but to fit 18" wheels which really does knacker the ride quality..

With my set up I went for the EBC Red stuff Ceramic pads and I really can assure you that once they were bedded in it was like hitting a brick wall..
I demonstrated how good they were to a friend once on a quiet A road and I can truthfully say I was actually shocked..
My immediate thought was "God I dint think other cars would be able to avoid ramming into the back of me"..

I think what I would suggest is you try alternative pads as they really can make a surprising difference

I must admit though.. I wanted the beefy looks of the larger discs and also the pretty Red Calipers do look good as they peep through your alloys..

Hope this helps you..

 

[HelpThisDude]

Thanks for your advice Simon.

Malcom,
Yet another question, I have seen a set of S/Hand calipers for sale on a US site, they are from a US spec c230, and have part numbers (They are 4 piston Aluminum OEM) Casting #s are 20.7046.04 and 20.7915.01.
Just wondered if they were the same as the 'sport kit' calipers?
And what the matching discs would be (330/345mm)?

Hope they are suitable they are only £217 delivered.

Cheers Malc.

 

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This is too hard for me to work out Mark, only by cross referencing the cars in the link can it be worked out

 

[HelpThisDude]

Seen this on another merc site, part numbers and possible AMG codes. Do they hold water? Could I simply order the kit as described and have AMG labled calipers?

 

[television]

They are the right part numbers for the C32 and should fit OK

 

[whitenemesis]

Seen this on another merc site, part numbers and possible AMG codes. Do they hold water? Could I simply order the kit as described and have AMG labled calipers?

As I said in the original post, check with the dealer!

 

[HelpThisDude]

I just checked the number for the callipers with MB Ipswich and they said the number had been replaced by ‘A002 420 38 38’ (left calliper) and cost £730 odd pounds and had to be made to order.
I assume the store-man is a little confused him self.

I must admit, I was over the moon when I saw a list of part numbers, I do get a little obsessed with once my mind is set!

Im guessing you guys have a little more reference material then 'google' and a frustrated MB store-man: Would I be totally out of order to ask if you guys could provide me with a list of part numbers for:

1) The 'sport pack' brakes set up (330mm disc I think) - As I know my wheels will clear.
2) The C32AMG's brakes (345mm disc I think)

I would really appreciate it, Thank you.

 

[HelpThisDude]

I have an update -not a good one

Company called Brakes international (brakesint.co.uk, lovely to deal with I must add) deals with a Caliper company called Budweg, in Denmark. I ordered Calipers, stating the 2002 C32AMG as my car. I took delivery of two lovely 245mm discs and these re-man calipers.

I first Fitted the Caliper, to ensure It would bolt on (Bearing in mind all the C class W203 have the same steering knuckle part number).
It fitted on perfectly, and my 17" wheel fitted and revolved with no clearance issues.

I then removed the Caliper, and fitted the Disc. Again, no issues with the disc or bolt holes alignment.
The problems started when I slipped the Caliper over the disc, and tried to line up the holes.
The bottom leg of the Caliper bolted on OK, with good clearance to the disc.
When attempting to line up the top mounting ‘leg’ of the Caliper, it fouled the disc! The calliper still needed to move 20mm~ before the hole will align.

The disc was measured, and it was 245mm.
I know the callipers are ‘handed’, but I tried both anyway – no change.
The caliper was checked, and going by the space for the pad, (119.8mm long) it was the right caliper.
So why (FFS) will it not fit?

I need expert advice here, the fact that I have clearance on the bottom of the Caliper to disc, and not the top, tells me the Caliper cannot be right. Surley, even if I fitted the 330mm disc from the sports pack/C180 Kompressor, the Caliper will still have uneven spaces?
Any ideas??

I have had a look at a picture of a C32AMG calliper (on line search), and compaired it to the calliper I have received. The mounting ‘legs’ look different. My top leg bends (like a dogs rear leg), and the AMG callipers top leg is straight. I have provided the picture, Please…. have a look and tell me I am not seeing things?

Tomorrow, Wednesday this week, I will get a 330mm disc to try (from Brakes Int – they really seem to be helping).
Can someone confirm to me that the clearance between disc and caliper should be uniform throughout the radius of the Disc?

If the Budweg callipers sent, are incorrect, I will ask for a refund. I will then do what I should have done in the first place, and buy direct from a Mercedes stealer. The extra dent in the wallet will be worth a proper calliper set!

 

[HelpThisDude]

"The disc was measured, and it was 245mm."

sorry, I mean 345mm

 

[HelpThisDude]

I tried the 330mm disc today, and the Caliper still sat slanted. If fitted, the pads would be hanging over the outer lip of the disc, and curve on the pad would not line-up even with the curve of the disc.
The gap at the bottom, between Caliper and disc, was large enough to get my ready-to-hand 'Go-NoGo' gauge, (my finger), right in. The gap at the top was too small to even fit my little finger in.
So im convinced they have assembled the Caliper wrong- I will have to ship the lot back and get a refund.
OR
They say Budweg have made this mistake before. Brakes int. say that Budweg have bolted the wrong bits on callipers before and think that the top leg is possibly from a sports pack calliper (shorter leg). They have rectified their mistake quickly in the past.
I may just give them the chance to put this right.

Inchcape are asking for a VIN number for a C32AMG before advising on Calipers, I’m not sure if I could persuade some one to give me their VIN

 

[HelpThisDude]

New bit arrived and tested for fitment. Hey presto, it all fits OK.
The 17" 'sport pack' wheels, fit and spins perfectly (I'm sure someone will correct me with the right name for these wheels)

Just a shame my flash new 18" wheels do not - but thats a different problem.

Will update once I have fitted and used this 'retro fit' for a few thousand miles.

 

[HelpThisDude]

Update.
I used remanufactured calipers by BUDWEG, however, I later found that the better option would have been:
MB (brembo 4 pot) AMG Brake calipers for a 2002 C32 AMG saloon,
Left A002 420 1983 £212+vat
Right A002 420 20 83 £212+vat
£487.60 all in from MB dealers.
Discs, ATE from euro car parts £80 each including vat, MB items are £80+VAT. Do not use any thing cheap, I warped a set of cheap ones in a month.
I used EBC pads at £75odd quid, just for the reduced brake dust.
Not a bad price for a brake upgrade, something from AP or Tarrox would be £1200+.
I have done about 4000 miles now with this lot fitted, all OK