What non MB SUV?

[rf065]

Most of the Range Rover owners I know have had persistent problems.

Looking at the mighty Japanese rivals sends them into a cold shudder.

My neighbour leased 4 or 5 Range Rovers in a row, without fail, at least twice a year they would go off in a flat bed for weeks on end before being returned fixed. I was amazed at how he put up with this even though he was not paying to fix them, but the inconvenience would be enough for me.
Eventually he replaced the last Range Rover with a Ford Ranger, and I've yet to see it breakdown once.
Best advice I've heard on Range Rover ownership is, don't ever own one after the warranty expires.

 

[ajlsl600]

Aussis say want go to bush(Africa same) take LR want to come back? Take a LCruiser. I 100% agree with that and add LR guy wud be on 1st name terms with his chiropractor as well. Gwagon hard to beat , and I had three, but decent ones out of my range now and I sure don't fancy the mpg or the dtf that's surely bolted on to anything they make not 15 Yr old
I had thought ml 250 wud be a reasonable compromise but imagine being 500 km in the Bush and bricked by a f wheel speed sensor. I am not even going back to A road France without icarsoft plugged in.. Modern crxp!!
Today one would Nedd a box with every f sensor a box of deutz connectors rolls of wire and on board diagnostics fortunately and sadly my days of being 1,000s km in the Bush are done. Unless flying where fortunately most of this modern crxp is still not on board. The odd U/C microswitch and 30yr old radios about it, whilst I use GPS I ALWAYS carry maps.

 

[sausage]

Rumours and second hand stories can wreck reputations. Once posted online comments get repeated and regurgitated again again and eventually end up as internet mythos, often spread by lose lips and people who are like John Snow, they know nothing. Many post the same opinions over and again to try and bolster their own online rep, and wanting to contribute and get their post count up. It doesn't help marques. Such as water cooled Porsche engines repeatedly getting a bashing when they are actually no worse than the air cooled in terms of maintenance and rebuild cycles. They are no worse than Audi or BMW or Merc or any others. Just the same as an RR is not an unreliable car. Haters will hate.

Most people who know about RR will say that the reputation is undeserved. Such as the two experts in the videos I posted earlier. I had my fair share of work to do, but again they are very complicated and if anyone tries to run one on a shoestring then there will be billions of problems. They need proper care. But a good one is as reliable, lovable and comforting as your first cuddly toy. Until you have owned a good one you just cannot possibly understand how much better than everything else they are. Harry Metcalfe, a man who clearly knows his onions "There is a feeling that you only get with a Range Rover, Bentley or Rolls Royce". Try getting that feeling from your plastic fantastics from Asia.

The Lexus SUV I had, a modern expensive hybrid was less economical than my RR.

Yes you do need deep pockets. No they are not for everyone. But if you want the best SUV and one of the best cars on the road, then a RR is the logical choice. Forget the rest, it has to be the full fat RR, not a evoque or velar.

 

[sausage]

Aussis say want go to bush(Africa same) take LR want to come back? Take a LCruiser. I 100% agree with that and add LR guy wud be on 1st name terms with his chiropractor as well.

By way of a P.S. Yes, my family is from Zambia and they would all agree with the above. However, in Leicestershire I would not be seen dead in Toyota

 

[ajlsl600]

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Rumours and second hand stories can wreck reputations. Once posted online comments get repeated and regurgitated again again and eventually end up as internet mythos, often spread by lose lips and people who are like John Snow, they know nothing. Many post the same opinions over and again to try and bolster their own online rep, and wanting to contribute and get their post count up. It doesn't help marques. Such as water cooled Porsche engines repeatedly getting a bashing when they are actually no worse than the air cooled in terms of maintenance and rebuild cycles. They are no worse than Audi or BMW or Merc or any others. Just the same as an RR is not an unreliable car. Haters will hate.

Most people who know about RR will say that the reputation is undeserved. Such as the two experts in the videos I posted earlier. I had my fair share of work to do, but again they are very complicated and if anyone tries to run one on a shoestring then there will be billions of problems. They need proper care. But a good one is as reliable, lovable and comforting as your first cuddly toy. Until you have owned a good one you just cannot possibly understand how much better than everything else they are. Harry Metcalfe, a man who clearly knows his onions "There is a feeling that you only get with a Range Rover, Bentley or Rolls Royce". Try getting that feeling from your plastic fantastics from Asia.

The Lexus SUV I had, a modern expensive hybrid was less economical than my RR.

Yes you do need deep pockets. No they are not for everyone. But if you want the best SUV and one of the best cars on the road, then a RR is the logical choice. Forget the rest, it has to be the full fat RR, not a evoque or velar.

Ud say, based on many yrs, the only good one wud be near 1st one when is role was simply defined.
Anyway ultimate 4x4 1990 Gwagon. U can ask me how I know if u like.

 

[ajlsl600]

By way of a P.S. Yes, my family is from Zambia and they would all agree with the above. However, in Leicestershire I would not be seen dead in Toyota

Leicestershire not in the Bush? As far as I know...

 

[sausage]

Eventually he replaced the last Range Rover with a Ford Ranger, and I've yet to see it breakdown once.
Best advice I've heard on Range Rover ownership is, don't ever own one after the warranty expires.

Returning from my first service on my SL this morning, I turned into my road and saw my neighbours Ford Ranger on the back of a flat bed. He left home this morning about 3am on route to the south coast for a holiday with his wife and children only to be returned to Leciestershire several hours later by the AA. The AA man said it is likely the oil pump seized and caused the big end to fail. The AA man said it is very common problem on the Ford Ranger and that he sees loads of them. "Second hand news" and not straight from the horses mouth.

The question is, did you jinx my neighbour?

 

[sausage]

Leicestershire not in the Bush? As far as I know...

Correct. Have I confused you?

 

[ajlsl600]

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Rumours and second hand stories can wreck reputations. Once posted online comments get repeated and regurgitated again again and eventually end up as internet mythos, often spread by lose lips and people who are like John Snow, they know nothing. Many post the same opinions over and again to try and bolster their own online rep, and wanting to contribute and get their post count up. It doesn't help marques. Such as water cooled Porsche engines repeatedly getting a bashing when they are actually no worse than the air cooled in terms of maintenance and rebuild cycles. They are no worse than Audi or BMW or Merc or any others. Just the same as an RR is not an unreliable car. Haters will hate.

Most people who know about RR will say that the reputation is undeserved. Such as the two experts in the videos I posted earlier. I had my fair share of work to do, but again they are very complicated and if anyone tries to run one on a shoestring then there will be billions of problems. They need proper care. But a good one is as reliable, lovable and comforting as your first cuddly toy. Until you have owned a good one you just cannot possibly understand how much better than everything else they are. Harry Metcalfe, a man who clearly knows his onions "There is a feeling that you only get with a Range Rover, Bentley or Rolls Royce". Try getting that feeling from your plastic fantastics from Asia.

The Lexus SUV I had, a modern expensive hybrid was less economical than my RR.

Yes you do need deep pockets. No they are not for everyone. But if you want the best SUV and one of the best cars on the road, then a RR is the logical choice. Forget the rest, it has to be the full fat RR, not a evoque or velar.

The "feeling" that many get is the broken cc and how uncomfortable the back seat of the recovery vehicle is. I have never owned one but I have had the misfortune of working on a good number of both, mainly thru the construction industry and we are all mostly using d4d and l. Cruiser for a reason.
How ever i wud not choose either as a Chelsea tractor. And in case it's aimed at moi I don't give a shxt how many stars, likes or otherwise I may or may not get and until I thought about post I hadn't thought about it.

 

[oigle]

Returning from my first service on my SL this morning, I turned into my road and saw my neighbours Ford Ranger on the back of a flat bed. He left home this morning about 3am on route to the south coast for a holiday with his wife and children only to be returned to Leciestershire several hours later by the AA. The AA man said it is likely the oil pump seized and caused the big end to fail. The AA man said it is very common problem on the Ford Ranger and that he sees loads of them. "Second hand news" and not straight from the horses mouth.

The question is, did you jinx my neighbour?

I do believe that the grade of oil is very important with these AND, when oil is drained, it must be refilled immediately. If allowed to drain fully for an extended period, the oil pump can fail to pick up the oil. This came from my local garage....

 

[ajlsl600]

I do believe that the grade of oil is very important with these AND, when oil is drained, it must be refilled immediately. If allowed to drain fully for an extended period, the oil pump can fail to pick up the oil. This came from my local garage....

Another great design then that is.

 

[Craiglxviii]

Rumours and second hand stories can wreck reputations. Once posted online comments get repeated and regurgitated again again and eventually end up as internet mythos, often spread by lose lips and people who are like John Snow, they know nothing. Many post the same opinions over and again to try and bolster their own online rep, and wanting to contribute and get their post count up. It doesn't help marques. Such as water cooled Porsche engines repeatedly getting a bashing when they are actually no worse than the air cooled in terms of maintenance and rebuild cycles. They are no worse than Audi or BMW or Merc or any others. Just the same as an RR is not an unreliable car. Haters will hate.

Most people who know about RR will say that the reputation is undeserved. Such as the two experts in the videos I posted earlier. I had my fair share of work to do, but again they are very complicated and if anyone tries to run one on a shoestring then there will be billions of problems. They need proper care. But a good one is as reliable, lovable and comforting as your first cuddly toy. Until you have owned a good one you just cannot possibly understand how much better than everything else they are. Harry Metcalfe, a man who clearly knows his onions "There is a feeling that you only get with a Range Rover, Bentley or Rolls Royce". Try getting that feeling from your plastic fantastics from Asia.

The Lexus SUV I had, a modern expensive hybrid was less economical than my RR.

Yes you do need deep pockets. No they are not for everyone. But if you want the best SUV and one of the best cars on the road, then a RR is the logical choice. Forget the rest, it has to be the full fat RR, not a evoque or velar.

Not rumours. Not secondhand stories. The output from Gaydon in terms of warranty claims from new, in first 3 years of service, varies between 300- 2000% (not a typo, 20x) worse than the benchmark carmaker for that year, which is usually Japanese or Korean. This isn’t necessarily (or only) what is published by the likes of Kelleys, Whatcar etc, but the International Warranty Database that all carmakers feed into.

The rumours are that JLR make reliable vehicles!

 

[sausage]

Not rumours. Not secondhand stories. The output from Gaydon in terms of warranty claims from new, in first 3 years of service, varies between 300- 2000% (not a typo, 20x) worse than the benchmark carmaker for that year, which is usually Japanese or Korean. This isn’t necessarily (or only) what is published by the likes of Kelleys, Whatcar etc, but the International Warranty Database that all carmakers feed into.

The rumours are that JLR make reliable vehicles!

I would love to see the source data for 20x worse than the bench mark, that is hilarious if true. LR customer service is dreadful and the main dealer workshops I experienced were not great either.

I suggested the L322 from LR and that is the car I was talking about. This is probably not included in your data set, because they have not been made for at least the last 10 years.

Anecdotal, my friend was not that bothered when his Nissan Leaf was in the workshop for six weeks without any sign of a fix, but had that happened to his Audi RS he would have gone nuts at Audi.

Of course we all know well that statistics do not lie either. And of course this does not factor in cost/expectation vs real world experience. Top Gear reported on the how it seems to be that those who buy cheap Asian cars have lower expectations of reliability vs those that buy premium brands and as a result the owner of a new premium brand is much more likely to complain about things that Kia et al. drivers just tolerate whether that be rattles or trim not fitting properly or something else. Not saying that justifies the wild stats you quote Craig, but surely does contribute.

There are also a lot more things to go wrong on a RR than a Kia/Hyundai. I bet a lot of that 300-2000% is due to trivial stuff.

Also, having driving new Kias and new LR I know which I would rather have.