Why I Wouldnt Buy A Lexus IS 250 Or Any Other Japanese Car

[Aussie Nick]

You might recall that I recently started a thread on the topic of whether the Lexus Is 250 was a superior car to the Mercedes W203 C 240/320. The matter was canvassed at some great length by members and the issue, in my view, still remains at large.
It is only some sixty years ago that Japan attempted to invade Australia and carried out some horrific attrocities on Australian servicemen and servicewomen.There was never any apology.
I believe that nothing has changed when the Japanese government to this very day permits the indescriminate and cruel slaughter of whales under the guise of scientific research in Australian territorial waters off the Antartic. Perhaps members would care to view the video in the following link http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin in respect to the "harvesting" of Dolphins.
I was revolted by the video and never intend to buy anything Japanese again.

 

[100%Bitch]

Here, here. I could only watch about 20 seconds and was totally revolted :sad:. Then again, that's probably why I'm a veggie.

 

[television]

Thanks for your post Nick, it certainly makes one think when these horrible things still go on

 

[rf065]

Maybe someone could translate your post into Japanese and post it on a Japanese forum? The only way to make them change their ways is to let them know the rest of the world do not agree with what they are doing.
Having said that, I have owned five Japanese motorcycles and three cars.


Russ

 

[oldcro]

I fully agree with what you say, but you are blaming a nation of people for the actions of a small minority. During the war every nationality of soldier did terrible things at some time. Some more than others. But to say you will never buy anything Japanese again (that is your choice which I respect) and then go and buy a Mercedes does confuse me.

Mercedes are built by Germans and they carried out far more atrocities on far more peolple than all the other nations put together.

As for the whales and dolphins, I would quite happily blow up every fishing boat involved in what they do. But they are still a small minority of a people you are blaming.

There are good and bad people everywhere and we need to help the good in stopping the bad ones. Much harder than tarring everyone with the same brush but more efective.

oldcro.

 

[anyweb]

I fully agree with what you say, but you are blaming a nation of people for the actions of a small minority. During the war every nationality of soldier did terrible things at some time. Some more than others. But to say you will never buy anything Japanese again (that is your choice which I respect) and then go and buy a Mercedes does confuse me.

Mercedes are built by Germans and they carried out far more atrocities on far more peolple than all the other nations put together.

As for the whales and dolphins, I would quite happily blow up every fishing boat involved in what they do. But they are still a small minority of a people you are blaming.

There are good and bad people everywhere and we need to help the good in stopping the bad ones. Much harder than tarring everyone with the same brush but more efective.

oldcro.

I agree with the above,

plus.. if you feel like not buying anything japanese then you may as well get rid of your tv, your microwave, your computer, your telephone, your mobile, your....

you get the idea....

 

[maddog]

Best chuck your PC away as well.

Its like saying you hate Australians because of their treatment of the Aboriginals.

I just hate them because of their cricket team

 

[RichardSmith]

Nor would I buy a German car because of the Nazis behaviour during WW2........

Hang on a minute......I have a German car. And 2 Japanese ones at that.

Unfortunately for quality and reliability there is very little else nowadays!

I still do not approve of the Japanese treatment of dolphins and whales though. But it would be verging on impossible to boycott Japanese products today and unfortunately the Japanese government know it.

Richard

 

[100%Bitch]

I agree with the above,

plus.. if you feel like not buying anything japanese then you may as well get rid of your tv, your microwave, your computer, your telephone, your mobile, your....

you get the idea....

I see you point of view, but it is becoming less so with the growing number of items that are manufactured in China, Korea and the like. Therefore, you would have to throw out less.

Saying that, it is best to vote with your feet.

 

[Phil D]

Mercedes are built by Germans

oldcro.

I wish mine was ! - found the "Made in South Africa" sticker on the B pillar last weekend - gutted !!

 

[Splatt]

From the comments made on the radio by the Japanese Ambassador a few days ago, in defence of their so called scientific research, they are very sensitive to the possible adverse effect this could have on their world trade.
To kill these whales and claim to be doing it to establish how many there are still in the seas is hypocrisy beyond belief.
I need a new DAB radio and was going to buy Sony, on Saturday I will go into the electrical store and the one I come out with will not have made in Japan on the label

 

[David Nock]

Where does the boycotting stop? I won't buy US goods because of their foreign policy to people. Same with Israeli goods.
Yet I am very aware my computer is American!
Re the Whales and Dolphins, of course I'm horrified, but we really shouldn't cut ourselves off from superior manufacturing technology - or should we?
What about our treatment of Turkeys - and I feel for every animal or fish in the world that mankind abuses - but still eat them. Oh Dear what a Thread this is.

 

[Splatt]

Quote :-Where does the boycotting stop? I won't buy US goods because of their foreign policy to people. Same with Israeli goods/Quote


It`s not boycotting , it`s informed ethical choice making. However I notice the last Jap product I bought was made in China.

 

[Xtractorfan]

Really I dont think that boycotting a countrys products will in any way stop it from doing the things we disagree with..the japs do build good cars, boring but reliable, and really they did bring the technology to the masses..and made it affordable.. I cant recommend you join greenpeace cos then I think none of us would be able to indulge in the technical revolution ..especially of the german variety which tend to have a lot more glitches than we would expect..methinks maybe this is their way of repaying us for their past sins..and please if ur german no offence intended

 

[DMGit]

I love these ones!!!!

Erm, this is a site about German cars isn't it ? but can we blame the Germans as a race for the atrocities carried out by the SS?
Can we blame Japanese Factory workers for what Jap Prison Guards had done during WW2 ? ( incidentally, many of those Jap Prison guards were actually Korean) and if we are to play the blame game - what about the treatment of the Aborigines by the white Australians and the Australian support for Indonesian bombing raids on East Timor????
French Nuclear testing in the south pacific, the murder of thousands of tribal peoples by the Spanish and Portugeuse in South America, the invasion and plunder of countless countries by the British ( the British also being the first to use the "concentration camp")!!!!! European involvement in African slavery, the Chinese occupation of Tibet, loss of life caused by the IRA - and jesus! where do you start with Americans?
Need I go on?

You cannot blame today's people for the wrong doings of there forefathers or because of what a section of their communities do, because if we did - we would all be guilty of something.

It's surprising how the use of the words "Ethics and Morals" can usually be corrupted to actually meaning double standards.

 

[Aussie Nick]

In 2000 the Clinton administration in its last days threatened to carry out trade sanctions against Japan. In return the Japanese threatened to retaliate against the USA.That policy seems to have been shelved by the Bush Administration.There is an excellent prospect that the original stance will resurface with the change in administration next year, especially if the new president is Hilarry Clinton as I suspect it will be. With the change in government in Australia last month the new prime Minister Mr. Rudd has promised that Australian warships will shadow the Japanese whaling fleet when the killing commences sometime soon.
In the last few days because of the increasing pressure, the Japanese government has announced that the quota will be reduced down to a couple of thousand whales (Wow how generous of them).
I think that this actually demonstrates that Japan is sensitive to the issue and people voting with their feet will only intensify the sensitivity.
The Whales do not belong to Japan they belong to the earth. This is an Aboriginal theory that nothing belongs to any individual and that everything belongs to the Earth.
I certainly take the Aboriginal view that I am merely a temporary custodian of all my possessions.
In all my experience with wildlife i have never seen such cruel slaughter as what I saw in the Dolphin video.
I have seen wildlife officers kill crockodiles as part of a cull with a single 303 between the eyes .Only the most expert of marksmen are used to ensure that the crocks are killed instantly without suffering.
In my home state of Victoria a boat operator is not allowed to navigate a power boat within three hundred meters of any dolphins. Failure to comply with this requirement means a long jail sentence.
Dolphins are extremely friendly and intelligent animals . I have often seen a pod surfing off the bow wake of my boat and following the boat for some distance.
I do not hold all japanese as responsible for the behavior of a few. However Japan cannot call itself a modern civilized country whilst it allows the killing of Whales and Dolphins to take place. In the case of the dolphin video I noticed young children watching the Dolphins being butchered .What other modern civilized country allows this to happen?

 

[Aussie Nick]

DM Git. I notice you have two posts, your last one being one of the two. Why do you say you "love these ones" ( what do you actually mean?) And where do you get that this site is about german cars? How do you arrive at your presumption from the title "Mercedes Benz Owners Forum "? Further how do you know that the discussion in question is not about a particular German car or have you failed to read this and the associated thread (referred to in this thread) carefully?

 

[DMGit]

Well, y'no those soldiers who guard Buckingham palace! They ware Hats/Helmets covered with bear skin - a particular type of black bear found in Canada - several thousand are slaughtered on a yearly basis for NON-COMBAT ceremonial dress - I believe the UK is classed as a civilised country!

I am totally of your view that these practises are without doubt despicable - sadly, these practises take place on a global scale every day and there is very little we can do to stop it, choosing not to buy a Japanese car isn't really going to make much difference - the same as not buying a British step ladder, isn't going to save the Black bear.
If you feel that strongly against these things, there are far better ways of making a difference - if you are prepared to dedicate much of your time for what you believe.

 

[Aussie Nick]

Thank you for your wise observations DM gIt . Your contribution has greatly enlightened me.Regards

 

[DMGit]

My thread wasn't a personal stab at you Nick, and "I love" this kind of subject as it often reveals many of us as being completely ignorant of what goes on around us every day whilst we are so consumed with consuming and working our lives away - it shows how our view of history is so often warped by our own prejudices and insecurities.
it's not personal - it's just how we are!