Winter tyres or change car.

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Maybe just google "are winter tyres softer".

You will find answers from all tyre manufacturers
 

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Maybe just google "are winter tyres softer".

You will find answers from all tyre manufacturers
A tyre compound which is softer, allowing it remain pliable in cold temps and grip in snow does not mean it will wear our quicker.
 

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A tyre compound which is softer, allowing it remain pliable in cold temps and grip in snow does not mean it will wear our quicker.
A tyre compound which is softer, allowing it remain pliable in cold temps and grip in snow does not mean it will wear our quicker.
The point is they wear out rapidly in warmer weather, read the thread and again perhaps ask Google.
Thats why they shouldn't be kept on in summer.

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I had winters on my e class estate for about two years all year round and didn't notice them wearing any differently from "normal" tyres.

Swmbo has all seasons on her b class, can't get all season in the right sizes for my cls SB!
 

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God knows why they call them winters tyres
 

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As per BC, just put winters or all seasons on Rob.

I've run a C220, a CLS320 & a C63 as my daily drivers, including to northern climes for work, they were all fine on correct rubber.

C220 - Nokian WR A3 (an all season "plus")
CLS 320 - Avon Ice Touring ST
C63 - Goodyear Wintersport 3D

If you're happy with your car otherwise, tyres are the better option, I think.
 

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If you use your winter tyres in temperatures above 7c they will not last very long. How cold does it actually get there?
Plenty of days below 7° Rory, and even more nights, so roads are nicely cold-soaked when you go to work.

A lot of the roads can also be untreated, especially around the edges of Dartmoor & Blackdown Hills.
 

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The point is they wear out rapidly in warmer weather, read the thread and again perhaps ask Google.
Thats why they shouldn't be kept on in summer.

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I can assure you they don't. I don't need to ask Google, I've 15 years real life experience of using them.
 

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Plenty of days below 7° Rory, and even more nights, so roads are nicely cold-soaked when you go to work.

A lot of the roads can also be untreated, especially around the edges of Dartmoor & Blackdown Hills.
The real question is how often is the temperature below 7° when you're driving?

For me it was typically 3-5° going to work, 8-10° coming back.

I just kept to normal tyres and never had an issue except with the 230. It was shod with Goodyear Assymetric 2s and the grip was noticeably worse below 7°. The Rainsports on the 210 I couldn't tell any difference.

Last year we went 4x4 so less of an issue.
I definitely won't bother with winters on that.
 

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The real question is how often is the temperature below 7° when you're driving?

For me it was typically 3-5° going to work, 8-10° coming back.

I just kept to normal tyres and never had an issue except with the 230. It was shod with Goodyear Assymetric 2s and the grip was noticeably worse below 7°. The Rainsports on the 210 I couldn't tell any difference.

Last year we went 4x4 so less of an issue.
I definitely won't bother with winters on that.
I don't know Rob's movements, obviously, but I'm typically early start (sometimes very early) and often mid-late evening return, so in winter months I'm rarely driving above 7 deg. Coupled to the untreated bits at each end of my commutes, the peace of mind of more suitable rubber was worth the outlay and change-over hassle to me. (One prang, or a day or two of lost work and the tyres had pretty much paid for themselves).

The OEM-fit Pirelli on my last UnMerc were absolutely shocking below 10 degrees. The higher silicon content of Rain Sports were notably better, even in low profile format on the 63 - long live the Rain Sharks! :)

Edit: I've had to go 4x4 now to support work, and it needed new tyres as a condition of sale - I put Pirelli Scorpion Verde on (OEM option), and I have to say I've been very impressed with them so far (13 months & 18k miles to date).
 

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My smart has winters on the rear all year round (all seasons front) no issues with increased wear and it lived in Birmingham and South Wales for ~4 years with the same tyres
How many miles did they do?

Manufacturers advise is to only use below 7C so let’s give the op good information.

 

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How many miles did they do?

Manufacturers advise is to only use below 7C so let’s give the op good information.

~30k miles in 4 years - they’re still on it now…
 

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I can assure you they don't. I don't need to ask Google, I've 15 years real life experience of using them.
Having now read up on winter tyres it seems my statement in post #4 was incorrect. It is not wear that is the issue but the fact that the performance (braking and grip) above 7C on winter tyres comes into question.

Seems all season tyres are the way to go. I’ll get some for my wife’s car when we replace them in 7 years time;)
 

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Cross Climates repel snow and frost or at least mine do, I haven't seen either for a few years.

With the global warming, we have been promised the manufacturers will soon be looking for another range of tyres to sell us.
 

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I used to run winter & summer tyres on separate wheels. I put cross climates on the SLC250 when I bought it over 2 years ago, & never had any issues.
The grip in snow is not quite as good as winter tyres, & no issues in the summer.
 

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It’s interesting to hear your dilemma because I have had Audi Quattros for 20+ years and the Mercedes Vito is my first RWD vehicle since owning a BMW back in circa 1999. Like you, I live on the South coast and only every really needed AWD for snow once every couple of years and usually just for 1 day. ;)

Perhaps getting the Vito with RWD is a gamble and I do plan to get better all season tyres on the back. What I haven’t mentioned though is that my Wife has an Audi A4 Quattro so at least we have an AWD to fall back on if it does ever snow down here again. :)

Cheers

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...., I live on the South coast and only every really needed AWD for snow once every couple of years and usually just for 1 day. ;)

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Once upon a time, a long long time ago ..... we used to live on Rowner in Gosport. I do remember it once putting down about 1/2" (at the most) of snow one night. The place came to a stand still! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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@Rob.T

It’s interesting to hear your dilemma because I have had Audi Quattros for 20+ years and the Mercedes Vito is my first RWD vehicle since owning a BMW back in circa 1999. Like you, I live on the South coast and only every really needed AWD for snow once every couple of years and usually just for 1 day. ;)

Perhaps getting the Vito with RWD is a gamble and I do plan to get better all season tyres on the back. What I haven’t mentioned though is that my Wife has an Audi A4 Quattro so at least we have an AWD to fall back on if it does ever snow down here again. :)

Cheers

Geoff

Just to note, whilst having more appropriate tyres on the drive axle will be better than inappropriate ones for the conditions, you need to have the same on non drive axle also for the optimum effect.

No one really knows the weather and yes we don’t get as much snow as we used to in the good old days but, I’d still say a spare of wheels shod with even mid range if not premium winter tyres is what you should have to hand. Just bolt them on/off as needed.


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Just to note, whilst having more appropriate tyres on the drive axle will be better than inappropriate ones for the conditions, you need to have the same on non drive axle also for the optimum effect.

No one really knows the weather and yes we don’t get as much snow as we used to in the good old days but, I’d still say a spare of wheels shod with even mid range if not premium winter tyres is what you should have to hand. Just bolt them on/off as needed.


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Agree, winter wheels are supposed to improve braking performance in poor conditions when it is cold. Seems foolish to have winter tyres on the rear and summer tyres on the front where most of the braking happens.

From what I read on the Michelin site, winter tyres are not as effective for braking above 7cso using them in summer is also not an optimal choice.
 


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