Dave posted bad **** that happening, Frontstep posted he was being too negative and that's why bad **** was happening and that everything in his world was fine and Dave defended his position and showed why it wasn't all fine.TLDR!!!
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These arguments go back and forth, everyone has their own opinions of course.
Most arguments are concerning wealth but I truly believe that a huge amount of people voting leave fully expected there to be a period where trade or £ value drops but this was fully worthwhile to get us out of the EU.
But forget all the arguments on these lines does it not concern anyone particularly if you voted remain that some of our politicians seem to be acting against a democratic vote?
I'm not interested in arguments that the vote was close or people did not know what they voted for.
A vote came in to leave the EU.
This of course does not stop us as individuals discussing things here but it really worries me that having given people the vote there is a seemingly hard line of politicians working against democracy.
What if we had another vote and it went to remain, would this not all start over again with leave voters wanting yet a further referendum or trying to frustrate the remain vote?
It really does worry me that democracy seems to be at risk.
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As expected they just belittled you and dismissed your observations as it wasn't what they wanted to hear.
Politicians who disagree with a vote are entitled to lobby against it to change it surely. They always have. We have had a general election since the referendum and the MPs are entitled ought to represent their constituents. The government is negotiating to leave as per the referendum. Democracy is also about change.
No I don't think this is so, many working against the vote represent constituencies that voted leave.
This is not normal run of the mill parliamentary policies a vote was given to the populace and we were told that the vote would be ratified.
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Don't you think democracy went down the tubes when the electorate were fooled by lack of information, incorrect information and damned lies about the benefits/dangers of leaving EU?
Right now all the leavers are very busy wondering what we should do with all the NHS money (if there's any left after we pay pay the divorce bill that the leavers all forgot to mention) while denying the FACTS that they love continue to deny as "project fear".
Meanwhile under the heading of what you call democracy we are digging ourselves further and further into the biggest financial mess we have ever seen. But apparently we'll be "in control".
Oh, I forgot - our esteemed Mrs Mayhem is currently wasting our time and money trying to get Japan on side to deal directly with UK when they're far too busy negotiating with the EU (you know, the other 27 that we have chosen to leave) and Mayhem thinks we can have everything we had within the EU (for nothing). But of course this is just another lying politician who campaigned for remain then "changed her mind" to get the bigger job.
Democracy is the will of the people who voted the way the politicians wanted them to. But it should not stifle debate or the thoughts of those who are in disagreement with the decision... Democracy is never at risk, but important and life changing decisions should always be the subject of further debate and scrutiny.
Politicians will always remind us of the sacrifices that many have fought for to bring us the freedom we now enjoy...Dave is just exercising that freedom and doing it rather well, and long may he and the brexiteers continue expressing their views.
Remember also that most democratic decisions can be reversed after a 4 year term in office of the offending party...But apparently we can only get one shot at this one.
The Brexit vote is a life changing decision for many many people. For those who take it lightly and believe that it is the Utopia we have been waiting on then fair enough. But for many others it is a retrograde step and a big leap into the darkness.
If it ever comes about that Farage and his cohorts, can get their crystal ball to broadcast to the masses, their vision of how the UK on its own, can fight its way back to the top of the pile, then we can all sit back and welcome it. My own feeling is that there much more involved. Divide and conquer comes to mind, Annnd who is most in favour of breaking up the EU.
No I don't think this is so, many working against the vote represent constituencies that voted leave.
This is not normal run of the mill parliamentary policies a vote was given to the populace and we were told that the vote would be ratified.
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So democracy is fine so long as everyone agrees with you then?
The will of which people? The ones who voted them in to represent their electorate or the country as a whole? The point is its their electorate who vote them into their job in order to look after their local best interestes. Shouldn't their wishes be respected?Surely they should go with the democratic will of the people.The whole nation voted on a question that was quite simple.Do we wish to stay in the EU or do we wish to leave.
It wasn't split into regions as in a General Election.
The country voted to leave & the vote should be respected & implemented.
But it wasn't a vote on who runs the country & split into constituencies.It was a national vote as a whole & the majority voted to leave.But the point is its their electorate who vote them into their job in order to look after their local best interestes. Shouldn't their wishes be respected?
And you've just demonstrated my point.But it wasn't a vote on who runs the country & split into constituencies.It was a national vote as a whole & the majority voted to leave.
That's the big difference in my opinion.
Dave you are doing what I asked people not to do, there seems more fuss over this than there was over the Iraq war.
Your politics I assume are to the left therefore you must or should believe in democracy.
Coming up with more quotes about who said what etc is not the point.
You disagree with the result, that is fine and your prerogative but it does not make you right or indeed anyone else who has opinions.
Rightly or wrongly the vote went to leave some people may have changed their minds since but that swings both ways.
I was at a BBQ weekend and was talking to two school teachers who brought this subject up, they voted remain but are worried about the lack of democracy from ardent remain politicians and intimated they would vote to leave if another referendum was given.
We cannot keep voting until the vote goes the way you like.
Yes misleading lies on both sides but most people saw through these and made their own judgements.
The EU negotiation team must be so happy to see the antics at the moment.
And no I don't blame TM she took a gamble and lost some of her majority but despite that she still won the election, I'm not sure anyone at the helm even if Corbin had won would be doing any better.
But I still feel democracy is at risk here.
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