Brexit

[davemercedes]

We can comfort ourselves in that we are paying it.

We have to pay for everything else, so why not!

 

[Craiglxviii]

We have to pay for everything else, so why not!

Oi! You'll pay for that...

 

[davemercedes]

Blimey, not more money!

I already had the "Daaad...?" sound directed at me once, this afternoon (my usual answer now is "how much?").
- Trouble is 5 x grandkids have learned to adopt the same pose...

 

[Xtractorfan]

Yes, and I'm most unimpressed at the way the so-called 'rock star of banking', Mark Carney has "telegraphed" the possibilities of economic change which caused the pound to rocket and we shall have the pain of it declining all over again. It's especially concerning because he lowered the interest rates to virtually zilch in the first place and said we would have "some"inflation...

Remember - he's the one they said was the best for job...

On top of the benefits below we gave him £25K "housing settlement" and he gets £5,000-a-week housing allowance.

Conversely, (in June 2015), the PM's salary was increased from £142,500 to £149,440. Perhaps that explains why we have such an ongoing shambles!

Crikey almost as much as some University Chancellors. And I bet few of them can play football.

 

[Xtractorfan]

Thats what Macron was - the new party. A 'safe' bet that wasn't the old guard.

The nearest equivalent in the UK is Lib Dems.... but they are very adroit at shooting themselves in the foot (as are UKIP).

Macron has a cunning plan to keep it all together he now wants an EU army. Try exiting that when its all controlled by who knows who.

 

[LostKiwi]

Macron has a cunning plan to keep it all together he now wants an EU army. Try exiting that when its all controlled by who knows who.

Macro always had that in mind as he stood on a very pro EU platform seeking tighter European integration that the French electorate supported.

 

[ajlsl600]

lk,you have to laugh tho, i live in france and know first hand that whilst the french harp on about the brits and our exit, you should know that the french are possibly the WORST offenders, the policy in france is to simply ignore anything decided in brussels that they dont like., for example the monetery policy in france has been in breach of eu rules for ten years ,whilst the brits up to now seem to impliment all and then say they cant do otherwise because of eu laws
i believe macrons mate gave up because he was involved with paying his wife state funds... wots the first thing macron does, if i am not mistaken, he tries to get his wife on the payroll....

 

[LostKiwi]

Yeah the French are great. Take the bits they want and ignore the rest. If the UK had done the same people would probably have been happier to stay in the EU.

 

[ajlsl600]

lk.exactly, makes one wonder ,was our exit a little engineered, see macron now wants to shift the germans and perhaps become the head of a european army.... thats just great so long as no one expects the french regiments to march anywhere in august...... you have to live here to understand that...

 

[LostKiwi]

lk.exactly, makes one wonder ,was our exit a little engineered, see macron now wants to shift the germans and perhaps become the head of a european army.... thats just great so long as no one expects the french regiments to march anywhere in august...... you have to live here to understand that...

Hahaha yeah August... I get that entirely!

You'd also have to make sure you didn't ask them to do anything they didn't want to or they would strike and block the motorways...

 

[LostKiwi]

On a different note its good to see the US being ready to enter into a trade agreement with the UK then slap 200% tariffs on Bombardier....
Maximal realism at work (aka "I'm all right Jack sod you!")

 

[ajlsl600]

dont even start me on the yanks, i am well twisted over them especially the design surrenders during and after the war . mustang best fighter. only after we gave them the merlin ,jets ,only after we handed them whittles design, first supersonic,only after all the miles aircraft designs were crated up in the night and sent to america, TSR screwed so we could buy that 111 that got knocked out of the sky with shoulder launched weapons , and what happened to concorde, noise my ass , they did not worry much about B52,s howling out of uk bases night and day..... i could do another A4 on this stuff. trumps a xxxxxx, but he at least says what all the others have been doing since the first president. America first and screw the rest. at least we have the known policy on record now. by the way none of my opinions are designed to demean the efforts and losses of individual servicemen,women then or since,however i would not trust the american state further than i could throw it Gorby had it right.trust,but check anyway.

 

[keefysher]

On a different note its good to see the US being ready to enter into a trade agreement with the UK then slap 200% tariffs on Bombardier....
Maximal realism at work (aka "I'm all right Jack sod you!")

Is Bombardier not a Germany registered company?

It's only round 1.

 

[Craiglxviii]

On a different note its good to see the US being ready to enter into a trade agreement with the UK then slap 200% tariffs on Bombardier....
Maximal realism at work (aka "I'm all right Jack sod you!")

Yes, that is exactly correct. Aka "how the world really works".

Btw there haven't yet been talks on UK:US trade, so let's see what comes out of it. Put it this way, if that 200% tariff ends up as (say) a 20% tariff, we will have a direct indication of how valued we are as an ally.

 

[LostKiwi]

Is Bombardier not a Germany registered company?

It's only round 1.

Its actually Canadian based.
Canada is part of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Its interesting to see how in the light of an FTA the US can still apply tariffs when it suits....

 

[Craiglxviii]

dont even start me on the yanks, i am well twisted over them especially the design surrenders during and after the war . mustang best fighter. only after we gave them the merlin ,

But "best fighter" for what? The P-51 family Mustang excelled at long-range escort and that's the role it was used in. By both them and us. We asked them to design and build it (we didn't give them the design, it was all North American Aviation's own work) due to our lack of building capacity for a new type. Only, the US V-1710 engine was a poor performer at altitude and so the type only really came into its own when mated with the Merlin. And don't forget, the Merlin was license-built by Packard as the V-1650, and we were paid a license fee for every one of them....

jets ,only after we handed them whittles design,

No, wrong, there were separate and totally independent turbojet programs in both the US, UK, Germany, Italy, USSR, France, Italy and Japan that all started in the mid-late 1920s. The first US mass production jets (J-33) were indeed based on the W.1 but their subsequent production designs- the ones that went into combat- were not.

first supersonic,only after all the miles aircraft designs were crated up in the night and sent to america,

Urban myth; investigation into compressibility was actually started by a German engineer in the early 1920s and then promptly ignored by the world as no-one could foresee the effects of it being a problem for aircraft as envisaged. When, "during the war" as Uncle Albert would say, these effects were discovered- initially by USAAF P-38 pilots as it happens- studies were hastily recommenced in all countries capable of building aircraft that would suffer from these effects. The Bell X-1 was not based in any way on Miles research (or de Havillands, or Shorts, or A.V. Roe, or Vickers, or Supermarine- all of whom were involved in it to some degree or another) but through their own efforts greatly aided by the NACA studies of the preceding decade.

TSR screwed so we could buy that 111 that got knocked out of the sky with shoulder launched weapons

The cancellation of the TSR.2 was officially blamed on the F-111 purchase. The fact that it was officially blamed on that should tell you something. That the TSR.2 build jigs were immediately destroyed, plans scrapped and all bar two airframes (and those two having critical strength components cut to forever prevent restoration to flight) used for tank gunnery practice should tell us something else- namely that the F-111 purchase was not the real reason. What has long been suspected by "The Business" (the defence think tanks) is that TSR.2 died for the same reason as the Super Hustler (B-58 Phase II) or the B-70 Valkyrie: they all represented game-changing paradigm shifts in their respective fields that the enemy could not counter. Given the calculations behind the concept of deterrence- namely, a nuclear arsenal that is big and/or secure is "safe" and thus not likely to be used, while one that is small and/ or insecure is more likely to be sed on the basis of "use it or lose it"- the ability for any of those three aircraft platforms to make pre-emptive counterforce strikes on the enemy nuclear arsenal should become apparent. B-58 II and B-70 could fly over the defences and evade SAMs with their very high (M3+) speed, while TSR.2 could do the same low down flying under radar horizons as they existed at the time. So, what seems most likely given the vehemence of the cancellations of all three programs (they all happened in very similar ways) is that the US and UK administrations cancelled these programs to avoid provoking the Cold War into becoming hotter.

By the way, no F-111 was downed by a MANPAD. See here http://f-111.net/F-111A/combat-ops.htm Either SAM, CFIT while evading ground fire or AAA accounted for their combat losses.

, and what happened to concorde, noise my ass , they did not worry much about B52,s howling out of uk bases night and day..... i could do another A4 on this stuff. trumps a xxxxxx, but he at least says what all the others have been doing since the first president. America first and screw the rest. at least we have the known policy on record now. by the way none of my opinions are designed to demean the efforts and losses of individual servicemen,women then or since,however i would not trust the american state further than i could throw it Gorby had it right.trust,but check anyway.

Just remember, countries do not have friends, they have temporarily-aligned interests. If you think we are any different then you are very, very wrong. This country is pretty much a nation of realists. What do you think happened to the Kiwi sheep-farming industry after we moved into the EEC (ask LK)? We did that because we calculated the benefits from EEC farming subsidies outweighed those of trading within the Commonwealth. That's pure realism at work.

 

[keefysher]

Its actually Canadian based.
Canada is part of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
Its interesting to see how in the light of an FTA the US can still apply tariffs when it suits....

It is registered in Berlin. Yes there are bits in Canada, like the aero bit, some train bits and some railway operations and maintenance. Just as there are aero bits in NI, train bits in England. At one time it was one of Canada's biggest companies. Interesting co to have worked for on a couple of projects.
The meedya have to continue the negative narrative to meet the anti Trump / Brexit hype. Trump did say he wanted to revisit NAFTA, maybe this is an opening shot?

 

[LostKiwi]

It is registered in Berlin. Yes there are bits in Canada, like the aero bit, some train bits and some railway operations and maintenance. Just as there are aero bits in NI, train bits in England. At one time it was one of Canada's biggest companies. Interesting co to have worked for on a couple of projects.
The meedya have to continue the negative narrative to meet the anti Trump / Brexit hype. Trump did say he wanted to revisit NAFTA, maybe this is an opening shot?

Everything I've seen says they are based in Montreal.
Bombardiers rail business is headquartered in Berlin but Aerospace is in Canada I believe.

 

[Yugguy]

Yeah the French are great. Take the bits they want and ignore the rest. If the UK had done the same people would probably have been happier to stay in the EU.

I think you're right - we do love our bureaucracy though, we tended to gold-plate Eu regs.

 

[LostKiwi]

I think you're right - we do love our bureaucracy though, we tended to gold-plate Eu regs.

You've never seen bureaucracy till you deal with the French.... With them its an art form!