no wonder the NHS is in dire straights

[davemercedes]

Maybe now Mrs Mayhem will think about paying Nurses properly:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40248366
EU nurse applicants drop by 96% since Brexit vote

Last July, 1,304 EU nurses joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%.
...The union said it meant the NHS was 40,000 nurses short of what was needed

 

[JBell]

Maybe now Mrs Mayhem will think about paying Nurses properly:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40248366
EU nurse applicants drop by 96% since Brexit vote

Last July, 1,304 EU nurses joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%.
...The union said it meant the NHS was 40,000 nurses short of what was needed

I don't think it's that simple, people don't want to go into the health profession regardless of money, this is why so many nurses etc. are foreign

 

[drmw]

Maybe now Mrs Mayhem will think about paying Nurses properly:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40248366
EU nurse applicants drop by 96% since Brexit vote

Last July, 1,304 EU nurses joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%.
...The union said it meant the NHS was 40,000 nurses short of what was needed

At risk of wasting my time, the NHS has a Chief Executive called Simon Stevens. Not many people know this. They should, because he costs about £200k pa.

Many say that as a Chief Executive, he is inept. I would not argue.

The Government funds the NHS but how these funds are allocated is actually the job of the NHS executive, so matters like nurse's salaries actually stop on his desk, not that of the (/any) Prime Minister as much as you would have her blamed for everything

 

[davemercedes]

At risk of wasting my time, the NHS has a Chief Executive called Simon Stevens. Not many people know this. They should, because he costs about £200k pa.

Many say that as a Chief Executive, he is inept. I would not argue.

The Government funds the NHS but how these funds are allocated is actually the job of the NHS executive, so matters like nurse's salaries actually stop on his desk, not that of the (/any) Prime Minister as much as you would have her blamed for everything

1) It's on her watch - and he's a Tory appointee - ergo it's Mayhem's/the Tories fault overall. If he is inept she should have done something about it - she MUST have been aware of the problems. Oh no, she said there is no crisis in the NHS. Right.
- They should tell the parents of the child who died in my area because they closed the emergency paediatric ward...

- Stevens was appointed by Cameron, no doubt supported by Mayhem and other Cabinet members
- He follows the austerity instructions and keeps their wages down.
- Look on google and see about nurses going to food banks.
- Honestly - to see this in my "rich" country in 2017!

April 2017 The Marr Show: Theresa May said there are "many complex reasons" why nurses are using food banks.
- Maybe one of them is they haven't got enough money to buy food, eh?

2) This morning on The Wright Stuff they did a "straw poll" phone-in asking private nurses if they would return to the NHS if they got decent pay. 70+ % positive. That bears out own my "tiny" bit of research i.e.: it's what private nurses told me when I was in and out of dock a couple of years ago.

3) When Stevens got his job, he took a pay cut from £211,000 down to £189,900, this was described as a characteristically canny move that may endear him to the NHS's 1.3m staff, many of whose earnings have fallen during austerity. But on a six figure salary (+ extras) he could obviously afford that "gesture".

4) There's an article here all about "interim" appointments - caused by lack of staff presumably with a temporary manager in Bristol paid at rates of £60,000 a month – the highest in the history of the health service. Along with that there's a lot of stuff about "off payroll" deals etc. I found this "dirty" stuff in less than a minute - a CEO or Prime Minister only has to instruct a minion to analyse and report on things:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...rd-60000-a-month-as-numbers-off-payroll-soar/

 

[JBell]

4) There's an article here all about "interim" appointments - caused by lack of staff presumably with a temporary manager in Bristol paid at rates of £60,000 a month – the highest in the history of the health service. Along with that there's a lot of stuff about "off payroll" deals etc. I found this "dirty" stuff in less than a minute - a CEO or Prime Minister only has to instruct a minion to analyse and report on things:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...rd-60000-a-month-as-numbers-off-payroll-soar/

This is part of the problem, the NHS has been exploited by so many agencies supplying temp staff if they had used that money to pay perm staff properly the problem would have worked itself out.

Don't blame the current govt for everything, these problems started decades ago, they system is wrong

 

[davemercedes]

This is part of the problem, the NHS has been exploited by so many agencies supplying temp staff if they had used that money to pay perm staff properly the problem would have worked itself out.

Don't blame the current govt for everything, these problems started decades ago, they system is wrong

But just like the issues with the EU, the government take the gravy and do nothing about it - except keep nurses and doctors pay down. And they DEFEND it whenever a problem is highlighted - remember when the British Red Cross said there's a crisis in the NHS, Theresa Mayhem said "There is no crisis in the NHS"... and she reappointed Hunt - if that's not a clear signal one can only resort to using Anglo-Saxon "**** off"!

And during the current government's watch in my area they closed the pre-natal ward so that mothers-to be had to travel 45-60 minutes by car if they had access to one, they then got shamed into providing a bus service. And the final one - they closed the pediatric emergency ward with the same alternative. When a child was taken seriously ill the ambulance was told to take him to the main county hospital. They got there in a remarkable 27 minutes. He died, bless him. No, no crisis. Nothing needs attention!

If the government only said something like "Here's a list of serious problems we need to correct but because of cost it will take time" then one could hope for better. So against that background, which do you believe - "there is no crisis" or this one below?

http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jeremy-hunt
Leak reveals plans for 'truly shocking' cuts to NHS after election

 

[Frontstep]

I cannot accept the hospital staff at all levels didn't want the bed, the full facts rarely get published they might just make a headline story less interesting.
He may have had complex care needs that most places couldn't handle or the options might have been for the patient a move well away from his family and support network.

 

[davemercedes]

What do you mean "the hospital staff at all levels didn't want the bed" - (makes no sense to me)?
- The kiddie's parents can't accept it - that's for sure.

Anyway, the full facts have been published.
The ambulance crew reportedly begged the local hospital to let them go there and they said No take him to (the county).
- The paediatric ward had been closed... "take him on a 45 minute drive and then try and save his life.
- He died/was dead on arrival.
- There have been marches /demos etc for this poor lad.

Similarly, we're lucky not to have had a major issue with a pregnant woman - where they closed the prenatal "due to lack of staff".
- It's still closed.

As I reported above EU applications for nursing posts have virtually stopped:
Last July, 1,304 EU nurses joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%.
...The union said it meant the NHS was 40,000 nurses short of what was needed

But I repeat - Mrs Mayhem says there is no crisis in the NHS!
- I really worry about this even if she doesn't - it might be me or one of my family that have to go into hospital next!

- I wonder if she's still going for a "hard Brexit?"

 

[Xtractorfan]

Was channel hopping the other day, and came across this... worth viewing.
https://www.rt.com/shows/renegade-inc/391899-nhs-healthcare-system-uk/

 

[geraldrobins]

What do you mean "the hospital staff at all levels didn't want the bed" - (makes no sense to me)?
- The kiddie's parents can't accept it - that's for sure.

Anyway, the full facts have been published.
The ambulance crew reportedly begged the local hospital to let them go there and they said No take him to (the county).
- The paediatric ward had been closed... "take him on a 45 minute drive and then try and save his life.
- He died/was dead on arrival.
- There have been marches /demos etc for this poor lad.

Similarly, we're lucky not to have had a major issue with a pregnant woman - where they closed the prenatal "due to lack of staff".
- It's still closed.

As I reported above EU applications for nursing posts have virtually stopped:
Last July, 1,304 EU nurses joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%.
...The union said it meant the NHS was 40,000 nurses short of what was needed

But I repeat - Mrs Mayhem says there is no crisis in the NHS!
- I really worry about this even if she doesn't - it might be me or one of my family that have to go into hospital next!

- I wonder if she's still going for a "hard Brexit?"

Define " hard Brexit " please. Surely we leave and renegotiate trading terms Going to be hard initially, maybe forever, but thats what was voted for.

 

[davemercedes]

What has hard/

Define " hard Brexit " please. Surely we leave and renegotiate trading terms Going to be hard initially, maybe forever, but thats what was voted for.

I'm rather confused by your question for which you seem to have provided your own answer...

Hard Brexit has been described as leaving both the EU and the "single market" and therefore having to apply to rejoin the WTO (another two years?) and in the extreme it would be Mayhem's "no Deal".

Due to Mrs Mayhem's arrogant manner of refusing to even agree that we should also agree a compromise on residency for those EU members who are in UK and our ex-Pats in EU countries, as it stands Hard Brexit might mean two-way "expulsion". So understandably I wonder if following her "smacking" in the election she will go for a hard or a soft Brexit. The connection with a projected shortage of 40,000 nurses is obvious enough.

btw: We did not vote for either: -

The question on the referendum was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?". We were not asked if we wanted to remain in the single market - but just like all the other things that politicians and others assume, they magically just "know" what/why we actually meant.

 

[drmw]

This thread was about the NHS not Brexit - back on topic please.

 

[Xtractorfan]

At risk of wasting my time, the NHS has a Chief Executive called Simon Stevens. Not many people know this. They should, because he costs about £200k pa.

Many say that as a Chief Executive, he is inept. I would not argue.

The Government funds the NHS but how these funds are allocated is actually the job of the NHS executive, so matters like nurse's salaries actually stop on his desk, not that of the (/any) Prime Minister as much as you would have her blamed for everything

Asposted earlier in my clip from RT, RussianTelevision...lol I know.. The piece about Simon Stevens would seem to indicate that he is about to Privatise the health Service by Stealth.. He was a protege of Tony B Liar and then went to America, where he was head honcho of PRIVATE Medical Insurance company.. He then came back here and somehow became head of the NHS.
And apparently his privatisation of the NHS has begun from within.

 

[geraldrobins]

This thread was about the NHS not Brexit - back on topic please.

Apologies

 

[bob 6600]

This was on late last night

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08vfzm0/horizon-2017-cyber-attack-the-day-the-nhs-stopped

 

[davemercedes]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-politics-austerity-gove-idUKKBN19N0EO
Britain should listen to pay bodies on public-sector rises – Gove

March 2017 (Telegraph)
<<The Cap on salary increases will see some staff earn just £5 extra a week while facing soaring costs and greater workload>>

https://www.reuters.com/article/britain-politics-austerity-idUSS8N1IK04B
Government will respond this year on police and teacher pay - May's spokesman

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40477136
No 10 says no change on public sector pay policy 03/07/17

More UK nurses and midwives leaving than joining profession
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40476867

That's odd... Hammond told Marr on Sunday.... “we’re not deaf”…

No need to panic. Mrs Mayhem said there is no crisis in the NHS!

 

[Xtractorfan]

It will take a crisis on the scale of the Grenfell Tower Disaster , within the NHS, to bring Mrs Mayhem and her Government to the realisation that they are the backbone of our society and need to be treated accordingly. I for the life of me cannot understand why this woman cannot see any further than her nose when it comes to policy making. She really has no understanding of how life and things actually work. I think she believes that if she says it people will believe it.

 

[LostKiwi]

Well we are currently experiencing the issues in the NHS with poor Malcolm.
It all started with the last time he fell I'll about 3 weeks ago. They decided he was units to look after himself so invoked DOLS - Denial of Liberty Safeguard - and decided he needed 24/7 care. According to the rules they need to do a care plan for Malcolm within a certain number of days. Didn't happen. He was left in a ward with terminally ill patients many of whom had very little time left from what we could see. Eventually they agreed he could go home if he had a twice daily visit from a carer. This was arranged and on the day he was due to be discharged they changed their mind. His son then had to go round all the relevant specialists to get them to agree Malcolm could go home before they would release him. Malcolm was quite distressed about staying there any longer
In the end they released him about 8pm.

Cue today Malcolm had a fall. He was found by his carer before lunch and shipped off to A&E. At 6:15 this evening he still didn't have results of an x-ray. They are keeping him in again (cue another battle with DOLS which will be harder as a result of him having had a fall) but can't tell us which ward he will go in until they find him a bed.

What crisis indeed.

 

[Frontstep]

There isn't a crisis in any normal definition of the word there are difficulties, there always is.
Most public sector workers can make a case for extra pay but they know their gold plated pension takes some beating.
Many private sector workers look with envy at their pay and conditions.
The truth of the matter is many workers are on a low income with costs rising, its a perfect storm of a banking crisis debts (not their fault) globalisation (not their fault) unfettered immigration (not their fault) mechanisation again (not their fault) brexit remoaners gloom etc.

You can blame May if it makes you feel better but she is simply the one who has "taken the monkey"

The blame goes back squarely to the Bankers gambling debts and politicians of all colours playing at theoretical liberalism with others lives.

 

[JBell]

So the NHS wrote more than 21.7 million prescriptions for paracetamol in 16/17 by GPs at a cost of just over £70m, bargain considering you can buy it for 15p.

Add to that £114m being spent on medicine for upset tummies, haemorrhoids, travel sickness, indigestion and that's before you get to the £22m-plus on gluten-free that you can also now get at Morrisons, Lidl or Tescos.

No waste there then!!!! What else could they spend £200m on???????

Now here's the rub:

Hospitals are allowed to re-use Meds provided they are "in good condition", there is a massive push on to get people to bring back any unused medication.

Pharmacies are not, a friend works in one and is staggered at the sheer quantity of stuff brought back unused that they have to destroy, we are talking thousands of pounds worth a week!!!!!!!!

Now I have another friend that works for a NHS Trust in the East Midlands and they re-use everything they can, actively promoting people return all unused meds and have saved £80k per year on 2 wards alone, can you imagine the amount across the country if they all did that!!!!!